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Message started by herzobase on Jan 24th, 2010 at 4:48am

Title: Identification of 1898 Krag Carbine
Post by herzobase on Jan 24th, 2010 at 4:48am
I found your group while looking on the Internet for a forum
to help me ID my Krag which I think might be an 1898 carbine. I have read a lot of posts on the Internet but
thought I would get better assistance with a group like yours, your help is appreciated. I just joined your group
tonight-
Bob

Title: Re: Identification of 1898 Krag Carbine
Post by tanker on Jan 24th, 2010 at 11:31am
I might suggest that you post some clear pictures here and provide barrel length, serial number, sling arrangement and any other particular that might help identify the weapon. 1898 Carbines are rare and the serial number range is somewhat known.

Title: Re: Identification of 1898 Krag Carbine
Post by Dick Hosmer on Jan 24th, 2010 at 6:37pm
To save you some time, if the serial number is over 140000, don't waste ANY more effort on wondering whether it is "real" or not - it isn't.

If it passes THAT test, then, by all means, please check back with specifics. There were only 5000 M1898 Carbines made at Springfield. A real one (131024) with early short stock (unique to that one model) may be viewed at my website.

MANY, MANY M1898 Rifles have been shortened over the years, for hunting use, and some are now being represented as the scarce carbines.

Title: Re: Identification of 1898 Krag Carbine
Post by herzobase on Jan 24th, 2010 at 7:17pm
Thanks to replies to my post last night. I knew when I posted my topic last night that the members are probably tired of hearing about 1898 carbines that aren't carbines. After looking at the photo's on your site I see that my rear site is probably a 1896 and not an 1898, and that is disappointing.
My serial # is: 133933 and the barrel length is 22 inches. The stock has a cartouche that has 1898 and three initials on it, also has a fancy P in a circle below the trigger guard.

Title: Re: Identification of 1898 Krag Carbine
Post by herzobase on Jan 24th, 2010 at 7:20pm
I forgot to mention, "Tanker" asked about sling arrangement, this rifle doesn't have a sling, but a ring that slides on a bar on the left side. Hope this helps.

Title: Re: Identification of 1898 Krag Carbine
Post by Ned Butts on Jan 25th, 2010 at 2:48am
The good news is that every thing you have posted so far points toward a carbine. A '96 rear sight would be correct and the serial # is in the possible range. The sling bar and ring are correct for a short forend stock. Does your front band have a hump to protect the rear sight and does it butt up to the sight?
The bad news is that with out documentation no one will ever be certain. Unfortunately the serial number range is only that, a range, as some rifles are known to be mixed in. If yours falls in a block of carbines the chances are better for you, don't have my list with me so I can't confirm or deny that.
Sounds like a nice piece though, do you know any history behind it or it's previous owners?

Title: Re: Identification of 1898 Krag Carbine
Post by herzobase on Jan 25th, 2010 at 3:44am
Unfortunately I don't know anything about the past history of this item. I purchased it about 20 years ago with the idea
that it "might" be a carbine. Looking at this site last night I found that my example had what appears to be a 1896 rear site and at that moment I was discouraged as my thinking was it should have the same year rear site. I still have little
knowledge of this firearm, the help of the forum members is
greatly appreciated.

Title: Re: Identification of 1898 Krag Carbine
Post by herzobase on Jan 25th, 2010 at 3:55am
"Ned" asked about the front band on my example, the front band has a double hump that butts up against the rear site, this band is held in place by a "spring bar" for lack of the correct term.

Title: Re: Identification of 1898 Krag Carbine
Post by Dick Hosmer on Jan 25th, 2010 at 4:10am
Well, well, well - you, out of all the 2xxxxx and 3xxxxx wannabes, might actually have one! It DOES happen - just doesn't happen often!

133725, 133735, 133791, and 133919 are listed as genuine M1898 Carbines. Yours is close enough that it certainly cannot simply be dismissed out-of-hand, and the stock, which goes with no aother arm is one of the hard parts to find.

It should look EXACTLY like mine. The Model 1896C rear sight IS correct. Krag sights often show very little rhyme or reason as to what year model is on what arm.

Title: Re: Identification of 1898 Krag Carbine
Post by herzobase on Jan 25th, 2010 at 4:18am
Thanks Dick for the comments. If there are other things that I should disclose I am happy to do so. I noticed that there is a cleaning rod inside the butt plate, but I haven't pulled it out to see what all is in there, I will do it now and check it out.

Title: Re: Identification of 1898 Krag Carbine
Post by herzobase on Jan 25th, 2010 at 4:41am
I just looked into the cavity of the the butt plate and there is a three section cleaning rod and a metal oiler container that has a knurled head. I don't see a handle for the cleaning rod, one of the cleaning rods has a slit for a patch. I thought there was writing on the rods, but a magnifying glass only shows
case hardening colors.

Title: Re: Identification of 1898 Krag Carbine
Post by Dick Hosmer on Feb 16th, 2010 at 4:33pm
Sorry for not responding to personal massage - for some reason I am just not in the habit of checking that area. Don't know what to say at this point. Your carbine appears - based on what has been presented so far - to be correct. As such, it has serious value, $2500-$3000, or so.

As to the numbers, what I gave you is pretty much what we have. There is NO itemized "master list" that can be checked. A few groups of records in isolated places have survived, and been collated, yielding about 5% of production. No paid researcher that I know of will go looking for an individual number, given those odds.

If I were you, I'd be VERY happy. IMHO, the burden of proof is on the detractors, in this case.

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