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Title: Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Post by GUTS on Oct 5th, 2011 at 12:52am
This is my nice 1898 Krag(at least I think so). I have shot it at our range and it is very accurate and fun to shoot. The serial number is 291XXX.
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Title: Re: Here is the rifle with the 1901 cartouche Post by mjanway on Oct 5th, 2011 at 1:15am
Very nice indeed!
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Title: Re: Here is the rifle with the 1901 cartouche Post by Dick Hosmer on Oct 5th, 2011 at 5:19am
Yes, very nice, AND confirms that the headless cocking piece is NOT exclusive to carbines! Hate to say this, but the cartouche looks like "1900" to me! :-)
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Title: Re: Here is the rifle with the 1901 cartouche Post by GUTS on Oct 5th, 2011 at 11:13am
Sorry about that, long days at work and my brain is fading(I corrected it!).
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Title: Re: Here is the rifle with the 1901 cartouche Post by 5MadFarmers on Oct 5th, 2011 at 11:45pm Dick Hosmer wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 5:19am:
Mystified by how that would be so on an arsenal refinished rifle. |
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Title: Re: Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Post by GUTS on Oct 6th, 2011 at 12:20am
What makes you say it's arsenal refinished, were they all? I thought US Military rifles that were arsenal refinished were stamped with the mark from the arsenal they were refinished at, unless Krags weren't marked like later rifles are.
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Title: Re: Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Post by 5MadFarmers on Oct 6th, 2011 at 12:34am
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Title: Re: Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Post by butlersrangers on Oct 6th, 2011 at 1:23am
Guts: You have a very nice rifle with interesting features like the "headless" cocking piece and an 1898 rear sight modified to 1902 configuration. I believe your serial number dates from November, 1900. The condition of your rifle appears very good. Your stock appears to have a very nice grain. I wonder if it is one of the stock blanks obtained from Italy? (I have a cut down rifle stock with a "1900" cartouche that is definitely a European Walnut).
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Title: Re: Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Post by GUTS on Oct 6th, 2011 at 3:00am wrote on Oct 6th, 2011 at 12:34am:
I guess I don't understand the browned vs not browned reference you highlighted in the photo, can you explain it some for me, thanks. |
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Title: Re: Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Post by 5MadFarmers on Oct 6th, 2011 at 10:34pm
The "shelf" is browned for almost all of its distance. Except the very front. That's in the white. As made that "shelf" on that rifle had a consistent finish on the entire shelf. Imagine masking off a flat surface and finishing it. Then removing the masking tape. The bit under the tape wouldn't be finished. Which is what we're seeing there. The front of the shelf is in the white whereas most of it is browned. When originally made it was all the same finish. That is "browned" during rebuild with them missing the front of that shelf.
The receiver wasn't browned at SA. It was browned during rebuild and they missed the front of the shelf. The guide lip also has that inconsistent finish. Ergo, the gun was arsenal refinished. The reality is most were. Far too many people assume the gun is "original" when that is in fact almost never so. Very few guns are "original." That doesn't move your rifle into the "junk pile" as most were refinished whether people realize it or not. It's a nice rifle. It was arsenal refinished as were most from that time. They went to parkerizing on '03s for a reason. They couldn't keep the browning from wearing off. Quickly. The guns were carried in the rain, sun, etc. They lost their finish quickly. When returned from the units they were refinished as a matter of procedure. RIA's inventory reports only have two columns: new and refinished. It was either one or the other. SA, RIA, Benicia, and Manilla all had browning facilities and they all used them. Heavily. |
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Title: Re: Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Post by tanker on Oct 6th, 2011 at 10:57pm
GUTS; beautiful weapon, I'm sure it will serve you well and provide hours of enjoyment. The headless cocking piece, IMO, accentuates the clean lines of the weapon very well, I'm sort of partial to that feature since I have one also on an 1899 schools rifle.
From the comments here it seems like you have an original US military rifle in a condition that is commensurate with US military service and authorized modifications. While it might not be a NIB SA weapon make no mistake, it is as the US military wanted it and you are very fortunate to have it. I have fired dozens of US military weapons while in the US Army and I can guarantee you that none of them were as they were originally produced and many modifications were applied to all of them in addition to parts being replaced due to wear. Regardless of where the repairs were done, as long as they were completed by approved methods they were in original configuration for military purposes and accountability. Enjoy, and have fun shooting it, that's what the bullets are for! |
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Title: Re: Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Post by GUTS on Oct 6th, 2011 at 11:11pm
Thanks for the helpfull information and the compliments fellas, it is good to learn things from those that know! :)
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Title: Re: Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Post by 5MadFarmers on Oct 6th, 2011 at 11:51pm tanker wrote on Oct 6th, 2011 at 10:57pm:
Exactly. It seems that every one is after "as made." Very few will be that. "As issued" is what they are. You've nailed it there. It's a nice rifle. |
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