Thanks, Ned, for the reply. A lovely rifle and heavy as it can be. I bought a mint Springfield carbine in 1956 and have loved banging some rounds through it, So, have to say, going to a good range next week and just have to fire this thing first. A great cartridge in my opinion, so will be giving some feedback on what it does. How bout second refusal? I gotta shoot this thing first...cheers..Eric