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Message started by butlersrangers on Mar 12th, 2013 at 2:25am

Title: Model 1898 barrel observations & pics
Post by butlersrangers on Mar 12th, 2013 at 2:25am
I do not know the actual manufacturing process of Krag barrels.  I use to assume the barrel was browned (blued) and the sights installed after it was fitted and head-spaced to the action.  This clearly does not seem to be the case.  It appears the barrel was fully machined, sight holes drilled and tapped, front sight stud dovetailed/brazed/dressed up, breech notched for extractor and barrel browned, before installation on the action.  I do not know at what point barrels were proofed.  Also, I wonder if the chamber was 'finish reamed' after assembly to the action?  It is evident tolerances were held very close when the Krag was manufactured.  If anyone has definitive knowledge or documentation regarding the manufacture and assembly of Krag barrels, many of us would certainly enjoy knowing more about the process.  I am attaching some pictures showing minor barrel details.  #1 - Index mark
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Title: Re: Model 1898 barrel observations & pics
Post by butlersrangers on Mar 12th, 2013 at 2:27am
#2 - Proof mark (barrel):
krg-brl-proof1.JPG ( 74 KB | 0 Downloads )

Title: Re: Model 1898 barrel observations & pics
Post by butlersrangers on Mar 12th, 2013 at 2:29am
#3 - Rear hole sight alignment and spacing:
krg-screw-align1.JPG ( 49 KB | 0 Downloads )

Title: Re: Model 1898 barrel observations & pics
Post by butlersrangers on Mar 12th, 2013 at 2:37am
#4 - Why front sight blade is removed when front barrel band is removed or installed:
krag-frt-band.JPG ( 105 KB | 0 Downloads )

Title: Re: Model 1898 barrel observations & pics
Post by butlersrangers on Mar 12th, 2013 at 3:00am
#6 - Front sight blade pin is tapered, dive left to right:
krag-front.JPG ( 54 KB | 0 Downloads )

Title: Re: Model 1898 barrel observations & pics
Post by gunboat57 on Mar 12th, 2013 at 11:48am
My first theory about the process would be something like this:
1.  Barrel blank is tightened to spec in the receiver.
2.  Index marks added to barrel and receiver.
3.  Barrel removed and fixtured using its index mark for alignment.
4.  Extractor notch cut, rear sight holes drilled and tapped, front sight installed.
5.  Barrel re-installed in receiver, torqueing until index marks align.

While touring the NH Ruger plant a few years ago I saw a similar procedure being used to assemble rifles, which model I can't recall.  But I do recall the barrels being tightened in first using a torque wrench, index marked, removed for machining, then re-installed.  That procedure avoided hand-fitting of the barrels to get proper torque and alignment.

Now, the question is, has anyone seen original Krag barrels that were never in a rifle but have the extractor notch, sights, etc.?  If they exist, that blows my first theory.

Second theory:  You can buy 1903A3, M1 Garand, and even modern-made Krag barrels that are cut for sights, etc. and have the threads "timed" so that only some hand fitting is required to get torque and alignment to come out right.  So apparently the Springfield Armory already had thread timing down to a science in the 1890s.  So they could've done all the machining on Krag barrels prior to first installation and just left them a few thousandths long for minimal hand fitting at assembly.  That would be more suited to a military product where parts interchangability was important rather than a commercial product.

Title: Re: Model 1898 barrel observations & pics
Post by butlersrangers on Mar 14th, 2013 at 2:48pm
1899 Scientific American may offer insight into Krag barrel fabrication.
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Title: Re: Model 1898 barrel observations & pics
Post by butlersrangers on Mar 14th, 2013 at 2:51pm
NPS detail on machining of Krag magazine door.
drill-axial-krag-sci-amer-1edit.jpg ( 67 KB | 0 Downloads )

Title: Re: Model 1898 barrel observations & pics
Post by gunboat57 on Mar 14th, 2013 at 7:46pm
Here is the complete part 1 of the Scientific American article:

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Title: Re: Model 1898 barrel observations & pics
Post by gunboat57 on Mar 14th, 2013 at 7:50pm
Here is the complete Part 2 of the article:

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Title: Re: Model 1898 barrel observations & pics
Post by Thomassen on Mar 15th, 2013 at 12:07am
Thanks for posting. Very cool.

Title: Re: Model 1898 barrel observations & pics
Post by gunboat57 on Mar 15th, 2013 at 12:40am
It's interesting that the barrel is proofed before installing in the receiver and before having the chamber final cut for the cartridge, page 268, left column, near top.

The finish chambering is done before the barrel is installed in the receiver, page 268, middle column.

Title: Re: Model 1898 barrel observations & pics
Post by DocCasualty on Mar 15th, 2013 at 12:43am
Thanks, Tom!  I was going to go back to the SA Archives site and see if there was a download available and here it is!

Title: Re: Model 1898 barrel observations & pics
Post by butlersrangers on Mar 15th, 2013 at 2:22am
gunboat57:  Thanks for posting the 1899 Scientific American pages.  It certainly gives a lot of insight into the manufacture of the Krag at Springfield.  The barrel and receiver were certainly labor intensive!  I wonder if the barrels were proofed on a special arsenal action or if they were tested with their final action and disassembled for sight mounting and browning?  (I think this is unlikely without both the receiver and barrel being serial numbered to aid re-assembly).  It also bring into question when the receiver was proofed?
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Title: Re: Model 1898 barrel observations & pics
Post by reincarnated on Mar 15th, 2013 at 6:37am
The barrel was proofed to 70,000 psi before the final boring to 0.300" and before rifling.  What sort of cartridges were used?  What action?

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