Thank you for that much. I appreciate any info you give me.   Also, I am a hand loader and would like any leads on accurate load/bullet combos. (Don't worry I'm a competent reloader and I know to stay under the tested safe limits) right now I'm starting in the middle with 180 grain nosler spitzer. I'd like to go to both ends of the spectrum. A light fast bullet for target practice, and a big heavy slow bullet for hunting. (I'm a firm believer in throwing paint cans instead of needles  ;D)