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Message started by FootSoldier on Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:14pm

Title: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by FootSoldier on Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:14pm
I am the proud new custodian of an 1898 Krag I just received from the CMP. It is in what I consider to be very good condition for a rfile that is about 110 yrs old. She'll be cleaned, maintained, and shot on a regular basis, then someday, be passed along to one of my 3 sons for further enjoyment.

But right now, I need to learn about the Krag. Can anyone point me to a reference book or website where I can learn to properly detail strip a Krag? I just don't want to make a rookie mistake and bugger something up.

Thanks!

Steve

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by FootSoldier on Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:16pm
Now, some pics...

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Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by FootSoldier on Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:35pm
A few more...
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Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by FootSoldier on Jul 13th, 2012 at 3:03pm
And finally, the sad...

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The FedEx shipping gorillas strike again.

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by butlersrangers on Jul 13th, 2012 at 4:16pm
Footsoldier:  I hope your 1898 Krag has a decent bore.  I am sorry the stock was broke (in shipping?).  I would go after Fedex and have them pay for an expert stock repair!  I was amazed, looking at your pictures, what a nice and apparently correct 1901 Cartouched rifle you received from the CMP.  Your Stock by the way appears to be one of the 33,000 Italian Walnut Stocks that Springfield purchased in 1899 from the Windmuller & Roelker Firm (NYC).  I'm sure the CMP would try to make good on the damaged rifle you received, but it is unlikely you would get another as nice.  Your serial # does not show up clearly in your photo.  If we could know the number, you might get a lot more information.  The Joe Poyer book, "The American Krag Rifle and Carbine" is a good and inexpensive ($20) start in learning about Krags.  The old NRA Assembly Handbook article by E. J. Hoffschmidt is a good guide for field-stripping a Krag.  (If you contact me with an address, I'll mail you a copy).

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by FootSoldier on Jul 13th, 2012 at 4:56pm
butlersrangers,
The CMP has said they'll replace the stock. Unfortunately, I am affraid that they won't have much to choose from in selecting a replacement. I wonder if I'd be better off trying to have this one repaired?

The serial number is 322245 and the bore is little frosted, but I think it will clean up nicely. A friend hand-selected this one from the North store.

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by butlersrangers on Jul 13th, 2012 at 5:24pm
FootSoldier:  Your CMP Krag was probably built in May of 1901.  If Fedex will help pay for expert repair, I would have it repaired.  There is no telling what a replacement stock would look like (painted white, cut down?).  That 1901 'Cartouched' stock has probably been on your Krag since 1901!  The grain in your stock and hand-guard appear to be Italian Walnut (and not the usual Black Walnut).  I would check with an expert wood worker on the feasibility of a good repair.

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by reincarnated on Jul 13th, 2012 at 8:42pm
I had a stock made of European walnut break in just that way.  It was repaired so expertly that even I had a difficult time locating the break.  If it were my stock, I would opt for the repair.

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by FootSoldier on Jul 13th, 2012 at 8:57pm

reincarnated wrote on Jul 13th, 2012 at 8:42pm:
I had a stock made of European walnut break in just that way.  It was repaired so expertly that even I had a difficult time locating the break.  If it were my stock, I would opt for the repair.


If you don't mind my asking, who did the work? I am trying to find somebody I can talk to.

Thanks!

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by Plain Old Dave on Jul 14th, 2012 at 1:00am
Send me a message. I know a miracle worker in wood.

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by psteinmayer on Jul 14th, 2012 at 1:53am
I might be off my rocker here... but to me, something looks odd about that serial number.  The rest of the receiver markings are clear in the picture, but the serial is not...  Also, the alignment of the serial number is not aligned with the remainder of the stampings (i.e. slightly lower than "Model 1898.  Springfield Armory").  I have never seen a Krag where the alignment and clarity of the stampings was inconsistent... do they exist?  It just looks strange to me, but I'm certainly no expert... 

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by knute on Jul 15th, 2012 at 3:00am
The bottom of the stampings of the serial number is not discolored like the rest of the stampings. It looks newer. But I'm not an expert, either.

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by FootSoldier on Jul 27th, 2012 at 11:58pm
Turned out good, the CMP came through bigtime and I am one happy camper!

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And she shoots pretty good to boot!
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Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by Top Dean on Jul 28th, 2012 at 3:17am
do you still have the broken stock or did CMP make you return it?

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by FootSoldier on Jul 28th, 2012 at 5:16am
They let me keep the broken stock too.

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by Top Dean on Jul 28th, 2012 at 11:02am
I would like to know what you plan to do with your broken stock, I might be interested in it if you are looking to get ride of it.

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by FootSoldier on Jul 28th, 2012 at 3:10pm
Right now, planning on keeping it. Talking with a couple people about repairing it, but not making any quick decision on that right now. Sorry...

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by Top Dean on Jul 29th, 2012 at 12:46am
ok thanks if you do want to get rid of it let me know would like to get one for a rifle I am starting to restore.

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by butlersrangers on Jul 29th, 2012 at 1:09pm
FootSoldier:  I'm glad to see that the folks at the CMP treated you most decently.  Now that's a Win-Win, after a shipping catastrophe!  You have two nice looking stocks with great cartouches and I guess your bore cleaned up pretty well too.  Nice Shooting!

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by FootSoldier on Jul 29th, 2012 at 1:22pm
Thanks butlersrangers. That target was the best group from my load work up and I was pretty surprised by the result. I loaded more and I'll try the combo at 100 and 200 next week. I'd really like to shoot the Krag in Vintage Rifle matches. I also want to explore shooting cast lead a little.

The CMP definitely made things right. I'm a big CMP fan!

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by FootSoldier on Aug 4th, 2012 at 7:51pm
Back to the range today. 100yds off a bench, 35.0 grs IMR4895 under Hornady 180gr RN = Happy Krag shooter!

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Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by Bob_S on Aug 4th, 2012 at 11:18pm
FS:

Nice! 

Three shots isn't a "group", but that's certainly encouraging.  Now center up and shoot ten to see if they will all stay in the ten-ring.  Looks like there's a good chance ...

Resp'y,
Bob S.

Title: Re: New Krag Owner...help?
Post by FootSoldier on Aug 5th, 2012 at 1:08am
You are right Bob, I had 6 rds of this combo loaded and 6 175 SMKs to try. I am going to load up 25 of the Hornady load and see what she'll do, but I am encouraged.

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