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Message started by Ken Knox on Nov 14th, 2013 at 8:05pm

Title: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by Ken Knox on Nov 14th, 2013 at 8:05pm
Still learning about my Krag. I have a  krag take down tool.
What is the peg used for?

Thanks,
Ken
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Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 14th, 2013 at 8:58pm
The 'drift pin' on your tool is too long.  It has either been replaced or the tool is a 'bogus' altered 1903 Springfield tool.  The pin on your tool also seems to go the wrong way, but, some tools were incorrectly assembled.  The 'drift pin' on the 1897 tool was reportedly used in removing the butt plate cap, trigger, and lower barrel band (stock) pin.  (I have no clue why Springfield Armory would want soldiers removing/dis-assembling these parts)!  Attached photo shows correct 1897 Tool.  (Mallory, 'Krag Rifle Story', calls this an 1894 Tool).
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Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 14th, 2013 at 11:15pm
Ken:  I hope I am not coming across as arrogant or a 'know it all'.  I am curious where you obtained your 'Krag' tool.  I believe there are a number of things wrong with it.  I have seen original tools that were assembled incorrectly by Springfield with the pin drift pointing the wrong way.  But, your tool seems to have an odd looking "US" to me.  Your screwdriver tips appear 're-ground' and the 'pin-drift' is too long and looks new.  You should look at the hinge end of the tool for evidence of a third screwdriver being ground-off.  I am attaching a picture of an 1897 Krag tool next to an early 1903 Springfield tool.  The 1903 tools were made for 40 years, through WW2, by private makers, as well as, Springfield.  I hope you do not have too much invested in your tool.  Real 1897 tools are often priced around $90.
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Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by Ken Knox on Nov 14th, 2013 at 11:44pm
butlersrangers,,  I came here to learn and I appreciate all the information you are giving me. I purchaced the tool on ebay. I see what you mean about the "US". It is of a different font than the ones in your pictures. There is no evidence of a 3,rd screwdriver being ground off. I checked it out under a microscope. When I recieved it it had some surface rust on it and old oil so I put it in my ultrasonic cleaner with a clock cleaning solution. That normally removes rust and gunk without harming the surface. That accounts for the new look I can see why someone would turn a 1903 into a krag lookalike but do they make complete repros?
Ken
    

Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 15th, 2013 at 12:31am
Ken:  I'm not aware of reproduction 1897 tools.  Unfortunately, it would not be hard to make a fake from the more common 1903 tools, especially early ones.  My Krag tool is marked "US" (no periods) and my early 1903 tool is marked "U.S." (with periods) and the same style of letters.  By the way, I learn something new every day.  Answering questions sure makes me see things in a new light.
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Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by psteinmayer on Nov 15th, 2013 at 12:33am
Yeah... good question Ken, because I need to get one also to complete my 1898.  I can tell you that you will find them at the antique arms shows.

Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 17th, 2013 at 3:47am
Back in July, 2012, MadFarmers posted this picture of some of his Krag tools on the KCA forum.  It is worth studying to get a 'feel' for the appearance of an authentic 1897 Krag screwdriver/tool.
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Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 17th, 2013 at 4:00am
Earlier this year, I successfully bid on this tool.  The Seller let me 'back out' of the deal when I realized and explained that the tool was not correct.  I believe it was made from a 1903 Springfield tool.  The drift pin is too long and points the 'wrong' way.  The "US" mark is also not the correct style of lettering and there seems to be more metal surrounding the rivet at the top end of the tool.
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Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by Ken Knox on Nov 17th, 2013 at 3:27pm
Thanks for the information. I contacted the seller and will be returning it for a refund.

Ken

Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by gnoahhh on Nov 18th, 2013 at 3:53pm
Good info. And here I thought that the only tool needed to take down a Krag was a two-pound hammer! :D

Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 18th, 2013 at 10:19pm
Only a hammer will do if you are aka Bubba or Cousin Eddie!
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Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 22nd, 2013 at 3:16pm
Reproduction Tool - S&S Firearms:  I was looking at my copy of the 2012 - S&S Firearms Catalog today and noticed it listed a tool on page 27:  "K575A  M1897 Combination Tool (reproduction).........$30.00".  I don't know what they look like or how they were made, but, repros are 'Out There'.  (ps. They also list reproduction brass muzzle covers -- $32.00).  I have not minded reproduction items in the past when they were clearly known to be reproductions.  It's getting to be too confusing and 'some people got no scruples'!  It is a jungle out there.
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Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by Dick Hosmer on Nov 22nd, 2013 at 3:47pm
You mean Boxer and Feinstein, right?  I think I'll save my postage.

Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by JOHN42768 on Nov 22nd, 2013 at 5:14pm
Same postage saving apply with Schumer & Gillibrand.

Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 22nd, 2013 at 6:40pm
Levin and Stabenow, too!

Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by Ken Knox on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 1:11am
The Ebay seller that sold me the fake one has another one on now.

Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by Dick Hosmer on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 4:09am
Report him.

Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by h8pvmnt on Jan 5th, 2017 at 6:29pm
Resurrection of an old Thread. Just picked this up on Gunbroker. Seems to be correct, has a weird mottled finish. Was covered in cosmoline like grime and the pivet is very stiff. Any Comments as to its likely authenticity will be appreciated. 
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Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by h8pvmnt on Jan 5th, 2017 at 6:29pm
Flip side
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Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by h8pvmnt on Jan 5th, 2017 at 6:30pm
Folded
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Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by butlersrangers on Jan 5th, 2017 at 10:27pm
'h8pvmnt' - Your Krag Tool looks correct and original to me.

Title: Re: Krag Take Down Tool
Post by h8pvmnt on Jan 6th, 2017 at 2:37pm
Thanks

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