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Title: Holes in my Carbine's Receiver
Post by mgbill on Jun 13^th, 2017 at 6:04pm

Have a Model 1899 Carbine that some previous owner has mutilated with two holes in the left side of the receiver. The holes are approximately 1/8" in diameter, approx. 3/8" apart (center to center), and are tapped. Currently there are blanking screws in the holes. To give an idea of their location, they wipe out the "EL" in SPRINGFIELD, and the "AR" in ARMORY.

Can anyone give me an idea of what these holes might have been for? All I can think of is some sort of scope mount. (It seems like a weird place for a receiver sight, but I suppose you could put one there...)

Title: Re: Holes in my Carbine's Receiver
Post by Tom Butts on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 2:13am

It is most likely that they were for a scope mount.

Title: Re: Holes in my Carbine's Receiver
Post by psteinmayer on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 12:32pm

Scope... typical location for drilling and tapping. Shouldn't affect how it shoots though.

Title: Re: Holes in my Carbine's Receiver
Post by butlersrangers on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 5:15pm

That's a very odd hole placement.

'Two holes', drilled and tapped, would suggest they were for a Receiver 'Peep' Sight.

However, as 'mgbill' states, the placement is peculiar and in the middle of the receiver.

Receiver sight holes are usually located behind the serial number.

Weaver scope mounts use four holes and William's scope mounts use three.

(I don't know about Echo mounts and other obscure ones).

FWIW - Here are some sight and mount examples.

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Title: Re: Holes in my Carbine's Receiver
Post by butlersrangers on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 7:10pm

Possible lesser known scope-mounts that could have been fitted to a Krag with two receiver screw-holes. #1. Stith. #2. Miller 'Kodiak' mount with B&L 'Balvar' scope.

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Title: Re: Holes in my Carbine's Receiver
Post by madsenshooter on Jun 15^th, 2017 at 1:28am

No screw holes needed on that bottom one, the Miller Kodiak Mount. I have one on my cutdown 92/96. I did add two screwholes on the barrel to hold a removeable dovetail, rather than have a dovetail cut directly into the barrel. Over the center interferes with case ejection, but I don't mind. If I need a rapid fire rifle, I'll take something else. I think a receiver sight mounted where the OP indicated the holes are might also interfere with ejection.

Title: Re: Holes in my Carbine's Receiver
Post by butlersrangers on Jun 15^th, 2017 at 2:45am

madsenshooter - How is the rear Ring anchored on the Miller 'Kodiak' mount?

Title: Re: Holes in my Carbine's Receiver
Post by madsenshooter on Jun 15^th, 2017 at 4:45am

Hi BR! It isn't fastened at the rear. It just sits on hardened set screws, under tension from the big leaf spring under the scope in your picture. One can pull up on the rear of the scope, rotate it 90 degrees and it comes off. I keep a bolt that has a Rice sight on it to use the rifle without the scope, which now a days never happens cause I can't see without a scope anymore. Return to zero seems to be pretty good if you make sure those set screws go back to the same place by lightly thumping the mount at the rear ring.

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Title: Re: Holes in my Carbine's Receiver
Post by butlersrangers on Jun 15^th, 2017 at 5:17am

madsenshooter - Thanks, I never would have guessed that would work. Wheeee .... !!!!

Title: Re: Holes in my Carbine's Receiver
Post by reincarnated on Jun 15^th, 2017 at 7:56pm

Does anyone know of one of those Stith Streamline mounts for sale? I need one for my Mod. 54 Winchester in .30-30.

Title: Re: Holes in my Carbine's Receiver
Post by butlersrangers on Jun 15^th, 2017 at 8:51pm

Nice Winchester to have!

Title: Re: Holes in my Carbine's Receiver
Post by madsenshooter on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 2:28pm

reincarnated wrote on Jun 15^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Does anyone know of one of those Stith Streamline mounts for sale? I need one for my Mod. 54 Winchester in .30-30.

I have a Stith stuff stash, but I just moved. It's in a bag, but which box is the bag in? I'll PM you if I find anything useful to you, it may be some time before I find it, so if anything else comes up for you, don't hesitate waiting on me.