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Message started by carbon outlaw on Nov 15th, 2017 at 10:40pm

Title: What is it ???
Post by carbon outlaw on Nov 15th, 2017 at 10:40pm
Found this at the local backwoods gun store today 50.00 dollars I was all set to buy it until I took a closer look so what is it it don't appear to be a 30-40 krag ???
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Title: Re: What is it ???
Post by carbon outlaw on Nov 16th, 2017 at 12:27am
I used my cell phone to post the pictures so you have to move the gray over to see the hole picture thanks for looking Carbon Outlaw ...

Title: Re: What is it ???
Post by carbon outlaw on Nov 16th, 2017 at 12:31am
this is just  another comment it had a really nice barrel some one started to do a nice job to restore ... the barrel almost looks like its stainless steel ....

Title: Re: What is it ???
Post by FredC on Nov 16th, 2017 at 3:41am
With an changed out barrel it could be chambered for anything. Probably need to do a barrel/chamber cast. The experts will be able to figure out what it started out as. I think both rimmed and bottle neck cartridges were used in Europe. Any guess as to the bore size?
If you are adventuresome might be worth $50.00 to find out.

Title: Re: What is it ???
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 16th, 2017 at 4:36am
'carbon outlaw' - If I understand your question, you are not at all familiar with this Krag variation?

The barreled action is from a Danish model 1889 Krag-Jorgensen rifle, that was made in 1911.

I can not tell from your photos if the barrel is an altered Danish barrel or some type of re-barrel.

The original chambering would be for the rimmed 8mm Danish cartridge. The Danish barrels used a form of rifling similar to Medford Rifling ('Rasmussen Rifling').

IMHO- It is easily worth $50 for parts and conversation.

More information can be found in 'photo tab' on KCA pages and in past threads under 'European Krags'.

p.s. - It appears part of the 'follower' is missing or altered. This suggests possible alteration to feed a non-standard cartridge.

Title: Re: What is it ???
Post by carbon outlaw on Nov 16th, 2017 at 7:43pm
so I took your suggestion and purchased it .. wow this is a expensive rifle to make I cant be leave   the quality work they put into manufacturing this rifle ... every part has a matching serial a number 
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Title: Re: What is it ???
Post by carbon outlaw on Nov 16th, 2017 at 7:48pm
The refiling is in good shape ... it has a huge bore 11.5 mm or 45 caliber I have no idea what caliber this mite be ... it dose look like its not a original barrel it has no sights or any holes like it ever had any installed any ideas as to the cartridge it takes ??? thanks Carbon Outlaw .... 
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Title: Re: What is it ???
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:02pm
You will have to do a chamber cast and you may as well drive a lead slug down the bore.

I would start with an empty .45-70 case to see if it fits.

The follower has been modified to probably feed a non-original cartridge.

Have fun with the new toy.

You can always get your money back by 'parting it out'.

p.s. The original 8mm barrel would have been covered with a sheet metal jacket.

Title: Re: What is it ???
Post by carbon outlaw on Nov 16th, 2017 at 10:16pm
wow im impressed it is a 45-70 conversion ... I am not going to part it out I think its so unique im going to finish it and keep it around ... thanks for your help ... as you can see its been ground out to except the larger 45-70 round well thanks again you made my day ... Carbon Outlaw ....
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Title: Re: What is it ???
Post by FredC on Nov 16th, 2017 at 11:16pm
Wowsers, a 45/70 Krag, if you can get it to feed reliably you will have close to the ultimate pig gun!
It obviously did not get finished. I can see a few things that make one question the skill level of the previous owner. Maybe the things I see were just not finished because the previous owner got old or died  too soon. Watch out for Bubba-ish stuff.

Title: Re: What is it ???
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 16th, 2017 at 11:48pm
I am a bit confused.

I did not say it was converted to .45-70.

I just suggested that .45-70 would be my first 'suspect'.

My second 'suspect' would be the similar 11.7mm Danish Rolling-Block cartridge.

In my opinion, it is essential that the dimensions of the chamber and bore, as well as, the quality of any 'alterations' be determined directly by a competent gun person and not based on internet guesses.

As FredC cautioned: "Beware of Bubba Work" on that barrel and chamber.

Title: Re: What is it ???
Post by carbon outlaw on Nov 17th, 2017 at 12:05am
Thank you that is very wise advice ... I have never heard of a krag being converted to a 45-70 ... I have seen one that was converted to a 38-55 for cowboy shooting .. I think I am going to be very careful with this one Thank you very much Carbon Outlaw ...

Title: Re: What is it ???
Post by Tom Butts on Nov 19th, 2017 at 1:02am
I have seen Danish Krags converted to 45-70 like this one before.  They are good shooters.

Title: Re: What is it ???
Post by Chickenthief on Jan 2nd, 2018 at 4:17pm
A few hundred were converted at the Royal Arsenal in Denmark for KGL (Royal Greenland Trade) in the mid 1950's.
They put a new barrel on, chambered for the Danish M1867 Rolling Block rifle in 11,4x51R and fixed sights.

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Title: Re: What is it ???
Post by Chickenthief on Apr 4th, 2018 at 5:26pm
As far as i have learned from Danish collectors far less than 50 were ever officially made.

What you have is hens teeth!!!
Most were destroyed in the bottom of Inuit fishing boats by saltwater and neglect.

And i as a Dane would give my right arm for that action ;-)
I have made a no limit offer for one in Denmark and noone have made contact in the past 6 months!

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