I seem to have played a role in irritating three individuals, Mark, Ned, and Dick, who I like, enjoy their contributions, and have no desire to irritate or piss off.

I am a student of the U.S. Krag-Jorgensen magazine rifle and carbine and I am trying to learn more everyday.

I don't have any of the early stuff. I am trying to get a better grasp of changes and evolution. Nomenclature is tricky and apparently has been a hot button at times. (I have not been involved in 'earlier' discussions or arguments on this subject).

I started this thread 'Re: Magazine Rifle' with good intentions. I wanted to better understand the transition in U.S. rifles prior to the model 1896. I wanted to better understand rifles "updated" to model 1896 features.
I asked the question about the nomenclature for earlier carbines as an honest inquiry.

I am truly sorry if I have offended someone or have been dense.

Knute's mention of the "Report of the Secretary of War ..... 1895" has been helpful to me.

FWIW - How (Krag) rifles and carbines are labeled in the 1895 Report is varied:

MAGAZINE RIFLE AND CARBINE, CALIBER .30
The magazine rifle, model 1892
Magazine carbine, caliber .30
improved rifle

The 1895 report, (Report of action taken year ended June 30, 1895), lists and describes fifteen minor changes in the rifle. Also mentioned is a 16th change, replacing the long wiping rod with one in three sections. (At the time of the report, only the first four changes had been made in rifles issued).

Also, a description of earliest carbines.

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