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Message started by Knute1 on Dec 30th, 2018 at 2:55pm

Title: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Knute1 on Dec 30th, 2018 at 2:55pm
Here is a link to Outers Magazines from 1918. It has a good article on the M1917 American Enfield. Part I starts on page 155 and Part II starts on page 254. There are several good articles on period outdoor activities. There is an interesting way on how to remove a broken axe handle from the eye of the head on page 445. And there are men wearing my favorite winter hat, the Stormy Kromer. And I guess I am behind the times :), but I didn't know that Zane Grey wrote outdoor sports articles in addition to his cowboy action novels. Check out the New Year's wish at the beginning of the link for a feeling of the times.

So if you're bored, here is some light entertainment:

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Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 30th, 2018 at 6:07pm
Stormy on Steroids!

(N.Y. national guard in Adirondacks, 1903 Springfield era).

I like my 'Elmer Fudd Hat', but, these are ugly!
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Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Knute1 on Dec 30th, 2018 at 6:37pm
After posting this topic I couldn't help but go to Stormy Kromers website and to my excitement they had some 50% off!! Using my wife's reasoning I bought one and saved myself 23 bucks. Hey, it worked since she had no recourse to say no. Now I have 3 Stormy Kromers and 2 Krags, just might have to even things out. Anybody see any sales for Krags at 50% off?  ;D

Now then, I'm in management at work and don't have anything against unions (my Dad is a retired UAW member of 35 years). But when the union president made fun of my "Elmer Fudd" hat at work, I had to ask him what was in his hat. I pointed out the "Made In China" tag in his hat. Then I took my hat off and showed him my "Made In USA" tag and the American flag. I placed it back on my head and told him that I was proud of my hat and hoped he was proud of his. He remarked that he had to get one, but hasn't. I guess he just isn't cool enough.

By the way, I bought the hat with the tweed pattern today.  8-)

Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 30th, 2018 at 7:39pm
Good for you 'Knute'. Every young man can always use another Krag and another Kap!

My 'size-tag' says: "Ironwood, MI 49938".

The 'Flag Label' says: "Stormy Kromer - Made in USA in Michigan's Upper Peninsula - Of Imported Parts" .... What!!!

Anyhow - my Grandpa about 100 years ago (not far from Ironwood) and me last week (real far from Ironwood):
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Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Knute1 on Dec 30th, 2018 at 8:23pm
Hey.......did you ever play a character in "Escanaba In Da Moonlight"?

Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 30th, 2018 at 8:38pm
Yah .... Da "Jimmer".

(Jim Negamanee from Menominee for the 'washed masses').

Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Local Boy on Dec 30th, 2018 at 9:20pm
And I always thought they where just called "Elmer Fudd Hats".

I especially like the commentary on page 180 about Gravitation-"Down South"

Commentator suggest that the scientific research was influenced by Southern Corn Whiskey! LOL

Maybe Culpepper can shed some light on this commentary?

Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 30th, 2018 at 9:37pm
I checked wit da boys up nord ah da bridge ... an dey said ... "Scotch" was better whiskey for makin decisions ... en dat dem Enfields was good guns, but, a shotgun width slugs was better in da bush ... Ya hey!
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Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Knute1 on Dec 30th, 2018 at 10:55pm
Yeah, the Jimmer. The best character on the show. I knew BR would catch on to my little joke.
Never been to Yooperland, but close. Hunted a few times in Minoqua, WI. "Da Thirty Point Buck" by Bananas At Large is one of my favorite deer hunting songs. Being a Packer fan (yeah, I know they got beat by Detroit today) I can relate to that song and "The Second Week of Deer Camp". Used to hunt the second week in Wisconsin with a couple Bohemian brothers, Big Zeke and Little Zeke. Stayed in a box car pulled in the deer woods and ate Ravioli and Spagettios off plates and utensils that were never washed the whole time. I was told to drink more beer to get rid of the germs.

Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Knute1 on Dec 31st, 2018 at 12:45am
Local Boy,
Just to give you a little more insight on Stormy Kromer vs. Elmer Fudd hat attire:

Elmer Fudd's hat is tied on the top of the crown. When untied at the top the flaps could be pulled over the ears and tied under the chin. The original Stormy Kromer hat is tied in the front just above the bill. It was designed that way so it would stay on the head better, a design of necessity when working on a train as Mr. Kromer had done as his store bought cap kept being taken off with the wind. The cap can be pulled over the ears, but the string does not get untied to do so. The design goes back to 1903. This hat has a cult-like following, you should get one. It fits in with the Krag hay-days of hunting with one. They kinda go hand in hand.

Now you know more than you probably wanted to. Just wanted to set the record straight.  ;)

Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Local Boy on Dec 31st, 2018 at 1:57am
Chuga, chuga, woo-hoo I gotta get me one to!!!

Thanks for the schooling Knute!

I think one would go well with my 100% virgin wool Filson vest.

Now, now guys keep it clean about the virgin wool. :D

Any suggestions about locating a real deal Stormy Kromer?

Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 31st, 2018 at 2:47am
The State of Ohio and Territory of Michigan had a war over Toledo in 1835, (well, sort of a war).

Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana won.

The Wisconsin Territory lost.

This is an example of how the U. S. Congress works ... and how Michigan got the western part of the "UP".

BTW: "Yoopers", people who live in the Michigan Upper Peninsula, (a.k.a. "The UP" or "The State of Superior"), are a bunch of "Packer Backers".

Above 'The Bridge', you would be hard pressed to find a Lions' Fan.

The Detroit Team plays, below 'The Bridge', to amuse the Trolls.

p.s. 'Local Boy' - The Stormy Kromer website is accessible online. Caps can be viewed and purchased directly from the maker, including Sale items. The 'SK' Caps are a lot smarter looking than 'Cheese Head Hats'.

Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Knute1 on Dec 31st, 2018 at 2:53am
Local Boy,
Go straight to the Stormy Kromer website. That is where I found my hat today on sale.


Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Culpeper on Dec 31st, 2018 at 5:44am

butlersrangers wrote on Dec 31st, 2018 at 2:47am:
The State of Ohio and Territory of Michigan had a war over Toledo in 1835, (well, sort of a war).

Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana won.

The Wisconsin Territory lost.

This is an example of how the U. S. Congress works ... and how Michigan got the western part of the "UP".

BTW: "Yoopers", people who live in the Michigan Upper Peninsula, (a.k.a. "The UP" or "The State of Superior"), are a bunch of "Packer Backers".

Above 'The Bridge', you would be hard pressed to find a Lions' Fan.

The Detroit Team plays, below 'The Bridge', to amuse the Trolls.

p.s. 'Local Boy' - The Stormy Kromer website is accessible online. Caps can be viewed and purchased directly from the maker, including Sale items. The 'SK' Caps are a lot smarter looking than 'Cheese Head Hats'.



That's not the only thing Ohio has won.

Michigan football loses to Ohio State, 62-39

Details at six, pictures at eleven.



Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Culpeper on Dec 31st, 2018 at 6:14am

Local Boy wrote on Dec 30th, 2018 at 9:20pm:
And I always thought they where just called "Elmer Fudd Hats".

I especially like the commentary on page 180 about Gravitation-"Down South"

Commentator suggest that the scientific research was influenced by Southern Corn Whiskey! LOL

Maybe Culpepper can shed some light on this commentary?


Oh I don't know about the commentary (still downloading it).  Southern Corn Whiskey is so 1840s.  Northern Corn Whiskey!  Now that stuff will angry up your blood and in a hurry, too. Why there was a time I could put down an intire hogshead and not give a durn about anything for five seasons and two weeks.  I have a jug of rum at the moment that has a fantastic molasses flavor.  The only trouble if'n I drinks it I wont have any more to left drink.

Does the elmer fudd hats come in red plaid? 




Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 31st, 2018 at 8:30am
Winter Cap Quiz for 'Buckeyes' - See if you can Identify?

A. Stormy Kromer, B. Trapper, C. Aviator, D. Toque, E. Elmer Fudd .
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Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Suredan on Dec 31st, 2018 at 4:09pm
Hey, who punched that kid in the eye? Maybe that’s why he started wearing the aviator cap and goggles.

Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Knute1 on Dec 31st, 2018 at 5:30pm
Earlier I called us Stormy Kromer followers belonging to a  cult. That may have too much of a negative connotation. How about a brotherhood with a few sisters, also.

At a Packer game earlier this year (they beat the 49er's) I saw a young feller walking down the stairs in my section wearing a Stormy Kromer hat. I told him "nice hat". He turned to see who he thought was making fun of his hat until he saw me with a grin wearing mine. He returned the compliment. It is kind of like owning a Harley. If I had to explain it to you, you probably won't understand anyway. ::)

Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Culpeper on Dec 31st, 2018 at 5:51pm
I'm with you on the cult thing.  There is nothing like the joy of seeing another 'shine aficionado sporting a rakish brown jug slung over her shoulder in a devil may care manner.

Or like our Band of Krag Brothers.

Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 31st, 2018 at 6:29pm
The "Stormy Kromer" story is really good marketing.

(The whole truth? I don't rightly know, but, I enjoy a good legend and a bit of blarney).

The 'oldtimers', I knew, just called them a "railroader's cap".

I am a 'Troll'. My parents, grandparents, and 3/4ths of my great-grandparents were born or lived, significant parts of their lives, in the upper peninsula "Copper Country".

Northern Michigan is quite the melting pot of languages, cultures, and nationalities.

The 'yoopers' have a lot of regional names for things. They know how to survive serious winter and adopted things that worked!

Some examples, I grew up with, that meant nothing to my 'troll' friends:

Swampers = Boots with rubber bottom, laced leather upper, and sometimes a felt liner, (like L.L. Bean's).

Choppers = Double-mittens that have a leather outer-mitten and a wool inner-mitten.

Toque = A French name for a wool "watch cap", sometimes very stylized. It goes back to ancient times. It can be knitted or made from whole cloth.

Canadians pronounce it "Took", my family pronounced it "Chook", (rhymes with 'cook').

As a kid, when I headed out the door in winter to do my paper-route, my mother would yell: "Be carefull. Do you have your Chook and Choppers"?!!

Knute, you are right about the 'Brotherhood of Hats'. There are motorcycle guys, car and truck guys, gun guys, and there are hat guys!

Most of these fraternities probably overlap.


Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 31st, 2018 at 6:33pm
How do you think Culpeper did on the Kap Kwiz?

p.s. Maybe Ohio lost the war with Michigan? They ended up with Toledo, after all!
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Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Culpeper on Dec 31st, 2018 at 6:41pm
I've heard he got every one of them there pitchers write and he is unanimous in that observation.

:D

Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 31st, 2018 at 6:50pm
Oh ... go put on your "Sola Topee" (pith helmet), fix an 'unaltered' Krag bayonet on your model 1917 Colt revolver and guard your refrigerator and 'licker stash'.

                          Happy New Year!!!

Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Culpeper on Dec 31st, 2018 at 7:05pm
Pith Helmet?  No, Sah.  I would not stoop so low as to wear that abomination.  Mine is a M1917 US helmet.  Worn by saints and sinners of the Great War and the Russia campaigns.  Pith helmets are only worn by scurilous dogs and scaliwag teetotalers.

Now about that likker stash.  What kin I pour for you?  ;)

Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Local Boy on Dec 31st, 2018 at 7:19pm
Alaskan Fashion and Style usually consist of a baseball cap, Carharts and Xtratuf boots.

But soon, there will be another Stormy Kromer man wandering the Alaskan frontier!  Thanks for the tip Knute1!

From time-to-time I do like to wear my flat cap...especially when I'm in a Guinness Stout mood.


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Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Culpeper on Dec 31st, 2018 at 7:34pm

butlersrangers wrote on Dec 31st, 2018 at 6:33pm:
p.s. Maybe Ohio lost the war with Michigan? They ended up with Toledo, after all!



Sad but very true.  Perhaps Ohio should annex Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati along with Toledo to Michigan.  We'll throw Kaisch in for free.

Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 31st, 2018 at 9:20pm
Culpeper says you's guys can't wear dem helmuts no more, eh!
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Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 31st, 2018 at 9:47pm
You're right 'Culpeper' ... (can't believe, I'm saying that!) ... you was in a Brodie Helmet with a Smith & Wesson.

You missed and sent me 'high tailing'. (The bayonet changes point of impact, you know)?

Can't trust the memory, too much, anymore.

(p.s. Michigan will take Toledo, Cleveland, Parma, and Cincinnati. You guys can keep Columbus ... ya hey ... we'll throw in da Ann Arbor 'whine country', eh).
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Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 31st, 2018 at 9:56pm
'Local Boy' - I likes to go a wondering and a wandering.

It is probably happening more and more, these days!

Too bad, someone drove over your cap! Was it an Austin-Healey 3000? .... or ... an RV?
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Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Local Boy on Dec 31st, 2018 at 11:00pm
Yup, guess you can call it my "Wonder Years"...like I wonder  when the next earthquake gonna happen...oh wait...there's one now!  Better go a wandering for shelter!

How did my hat turn into a flat cap...well...I was driving around town when all of a sudden...!

BTW: Isn't Culpepper's helmet missing something and where did you get that picture of me in my Air Force winter cap???
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Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 31st, 2018 at 11:20pm
Wow, Local Boy! .... were you wearing that helmet when the boulder hit?

Hey, let's go raid Culpeper's Fridge!
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Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Local Boy on Dec 31st, 2018 at 11:57pm
Maybe hit the stuff above the fridge as well!!!

Hiccup! hiccup!... HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Culpeper on Jan 1st, 2019 at 12:09am
Austin-Healey 3000.  Now that was a car!  I knew a retired Senior Master Sergeant in West Germany early '80s who owned one.  It was his baby.  He said it was H E double hockeysticks finding the correct parts to freshen it up.   She was a beauty.

Now about the Fridge.  Nothing in there but milk and pickle juice for bouts of heartburn.  There is nothing in the house regarding adult beverages.    You have to drink outside.

Title: Re: M1917 American Enfield
Post by Knute1 on Jan 1st, 2019 at 2:24am
As far as the Stormy Kromers go, once you get one you will spot them anywhere. I've seen them on outdoor sporting shows, Pete's Machinery show as worn by an Iowa farmer, Menards, Packer game, and even got a few friends turned on to them. Trying to get the daughter-in-law to buy into it.

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