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Message started by soonerfan66 on Jan 30th, 2019 at 12:29am

Title: Krag hand guard
Post by soonerfan66 on Jan 30th, 2019 at 12:29am
Can anyone tell me if any other Springfield rifle hand guard fit a Krag ? Waited to long to order one from Taylor cause their web sight said no longer make them and have not had any luck anywhere else .

Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by Whig on Jan 30th, 2019 at 2:36am
I have never heard of any other rifle's wood fitting a Krag. If it was true, I'm sure we would all know about it.

But, that's just speculation. keep searching ebay and Gun Broker for what you need. It gets competitive, though. This one just finished on ebay. It's a pretty nice one but still expensive.

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Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by Zgun on Jan 30th, 2019 at 12:25pm
S&S Firearms does carry all the Krag hand guards (new) but they are out of stock currently. You can go to the site and find the one you want, and click on notify me when back in stock.

Zgun

Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by Whig on Jan 30th, 2019 at 12:43pm
Reproduction hand guards are a nice option but they need to be stained, or oiled, to get them to match the traditional, or existing, color of the Krag stock. That's not always easy but can be done with patience. Also, some of them need some filing or sanding to get them to fit exactly or there may be damage done if you try to force fit. It takes extra effort if you have to add wood product to build up an area, also, that may show a gap.

But, it's a nice project to work on to make your Krag look great again! Good luck.

Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by soonerfan66 on Jan 30th, 2019 at 1:53pm
Well I feel better knowing S&S should be getting more in , how long they been out ? Seems everyone is out and was starting to think they stopped making them ! What happened to mine was that I took it apart and did something I have tried not to do  on any rifle . When pushing the hand guard down onto barrel I push on top of the clips BUT this time pushed down toward the end of it and my thumb went right threw the wood breaking about 2 inches off into splinters  , I about got sick . 

Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by Whig on Jan 30th, 2019 at 3:26pm
Can you post pictures of your damaged hand guard? These things, as bad as they might be, often can be repaired. Many of us have done simple and complicated stock repairs. Might be easier and better than the alternatives. Cheaper, too.

There are different epoxies and synthetic (fake) wood products that can be stained and sanded and drilled. I have used many.

Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by Dick Hosmer on Jan 30th, 2019 at 3:45pm
Sadly, your technique is what damaged the part. The proper way to remove/install a handguard is to remove the rear sight and slide the wood forward to a point where it may be lifted off (or put back on) without stress.

Though tempting, and seemingly correct, you do NOT want to 'snap' the part on and off.

Of course, a handguard may have invisible damage simply due to age, and split even if you are careful. So, the best approach - unless removal is absolutely necessary - is to leave it in place.

Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by Local Boy on Jan 30th, 2019 at 5:16pm
Prudence is the word...

My recently purchased Krag's handguard clips were all gummed up from years of crud.

I cleaned around the clips and gingerly removed the handguard with no problems utilizing techniques learned on this forum.

Soonerfan66, unfortunately many of us have made the same mistake.  Hope your able to repair the damage.

BTW: Can you spare a nickle and quarter???... They come in handy after removing the handguard.  Place the nickle between the clips on the front of the guard and the quarter in the the rear.  Helps keep the clip tension from cracking the wood.

p.s. The status of the handguards on S&S website hasn't changed in years... in fact it's gotten worse!  Since the current lack of reproduction handguards folks have been scouring the web buying up ever available Krag handguard... repro or not!    Hence, the bidding wars of Krag handguards on auction sites like Ebay.  Supply and demand!!!

Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by butlersrangers on Jan 30th, 2019 at 5:26pm
It is possible 'Taylor/Schwartz' was the source of the reproduction hand-guards that were being sold by S&S and Numrich Arms.

It might be worthwhile contacting a couple of the vendors listed in the KCA 'Classifieds' to see if they have an original of the specific hand-guard you need.

A solid original hand-guard is much nicer than the reproductions.

Dick Hosmer is totally correct about the safe way of removing a Krag hand-guard, by sliding it down the barrel taper. This does require carefully removing the rear-sight and stock. (Many original hand-guards have the start of fine cracks).

The hand-guard wood is under spring pressure when it is off of the barrel. It is wise to store a loose hand-guard with coins, (a quarter and nickel or penny), twisted into the spring-clips, to negate the pressure.
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Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by Whig on Jan 30th, 2019 at 5:31pm
When I have removed and cleaned and repaired a few cracked hand guards, I have used two correctly sized nuts that fit inside of the tensioned clips. I carefully clean the crack(s) and glue them with the clips in place to recreate, and take stress off of, the proper positioning when they are on the firearm. When the glue is well dried, I use linseed oil and rub layers of this on and let dry before carefully returning the hand guard to it's rightful resting place. Those clips are under a tremendous amount of spring tension and need to be handled properly as mentioned above.  If the clip is loose to the hand guard wood, I epoxy it to the wood so it isn't pulling constantly on the rivets which will easily break loose.

Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by Jason60chev on Jan 31st, 2019 at 8:41am
The ones that S&S had seemed to be the same ones that one guy was making. That guy....I messaged him.....said that his son was making those and that, because of health concerns, is NO LONGER making them. I think there is only one other maker of a repro hand guard. otherwise, you are just going to have to search and cough up the money or buy a beater rifle and cannibalize parts.


soonerfan66 wrote on Jan 30th, 2019 at 1:53pm:
Well I feel better knowing S&S should be getting more in , how long they been out ? Seems everyone is out and was starting to think they stopped making them ! What happened to mine was that I took it apart and did something I have tried not to do  on any rifle . When pushing the hand guard down onto barrel I push on top of the clips BUT this time pushed down toward the end of it and my thumb went right threw the wood breaking about 2 inches off into splinters  , I about got sick . 


Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by soonerfan66 on Feb 2nd, 2019 at 7:01pm
As the great Forrest Gump said stupid is as stupid does .Believe me I have been kicking myself for this . My Krag does not have the original rear sights they were removed and peep sights were put on sometime  . Was going to try and put original sights back on plus the mag cut off when first got few years back but the peep sight shoots so good . Will post some pictures asap . Someone filled in the opening for the rear sight I was hoping to get a solid hand guard replacement since I am leaving the peep sight . My hand guard is still usable but I do not think it is repairable . And my Krag is a cut down rifle .

Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by soonerfan66 on Feb 2nd, 2019 at 7:10pm
One idea someone gave was since my rifle is a bit mismatched anyway was to cut off the bad part on the hand guard and slide it back . Just not sure about doing that thou .

Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by soonerfan66 on Feb 2nd, 2019 at 7:46pm
pictures of hand guard
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Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by soonerfan66 on Feb 2nd, 2019 at 8:11pm
Tried to post picture of rear peep sight but I am not very tech savy . It is a Redford type mounted on rear by the bolt handle , has two knobs on side and top for adjustments .

Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by butlersrangers on Feb 2nd, 2019 at 8:14pm
'soonerfan66':

FWIW - Your damaged hand-guard is a rifle hand-guard for the model 1896 sight.

It could probably best be salvaged by cutting out some of the wood (straight edges - cut on an angle to create a bevel) and gluing an appropriately sized, walnut 'arch shaped' patch, (possibly cut from a damaged 1903 Springfield hand-guard).

I would glue the patch and front cracks using Brownell's Acraglas.
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Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by soonerfan66 on Feb 2nd, 2019 at 10:01pm
Thanks for your help . I have bought a top hand guard for a M-1917 rifle hoping it would be close but it is same width it's entire lenghth while my Krag hand guard starts out one width but widens up as it goes back . Do you know by chance if a 1903 one is like the M-1917 or the Krag style ?

Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by soonerfan66 on Feb 2nd, 2019 at 10:09pm
Did some looking and the 1903 hand guard does seem more shaped like Krag so I may give it a try .

Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by butlersrangers on Feb 3rd, 2019 at 1:44am
I was just suggesting a source of 'donor wood' for a wood patch'.

Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by soonerfan66 on Feb 3rd, 2019 at 2:10am
Been trying to find something on youtube or something that shows a repair like I need but not much luck to have a better idea on doing the repair . Are you saying if I can find the right piece to cut out the damage to my hand guard then splice in a new section . Would it need to have some type of screen or something on the underside to help support it ?

Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by Ned Butts on Feb 3rd, 2019 at 2:28am
Since it appears that bubba has already had a hand on it why mot cut it off at the break and round the edge a little and have a Model '92 ish hand guard

Title: Re: Krag hand guard
Post by soonerfan66 on Feb 3rd, 2019 at 2:42am
That is what someone else suggested to and seems easiest also . Maybe sometime I will pick up an original . I love they way this shoots with the peep sight but I also like having a piece of history that has not been messed with . Thanks for all your help I really appreciate it .

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