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Message started by butlersrangers on Nov 14th, 2019 at 8:25am

Title: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 14th, 2019 at 8:25am
I saw this photo on 'Pinterest' and took it to be Clyde Barrow (with 'cut-down' Krag and shotgun) and Bonnie Parker.
Then, I became curious about the sign and 'bumper ornaments or motor club badges'.
Suddenly, I noticed the British looking license plate and Steering Wheel on the right-hand side. (The photo appears to be credited to a 'Chuck's Auction House' in Pennsylvania).
It sure looks like Bonnie & Clyde have possibly been inserted in a photo?

Attached are a couple of known photos of Clyde Barrow with a Krag and other guns, in front of a Ford V-8.
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Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by FredC on Nov 14th, 2019 at 2:30pm
I looked at the shadows of Bonnie and the car on top, looks like Bonnie's shadow is longer than the cars'. Top of her head and top of the car are about the same height. Possibly the shadows are in a slightly different direction. If it was faked they did a fairly good job.

Did B&C ever hide out north of the border? May have been more British cars up there.

Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by Rcat7147 on Nov 14th, 2019 at 2:55pm
Getting a tax stamp and making a Remington Model 11 "whippet" is on my "someday" list of projects. 
They sure look mean like that!

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Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by Capt. Frank on Nov 14th, 2019 at 3:33pm
I have read that Clyde was partial to the Ford, because of it's speed.

Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by Rcat7147 on Nov 14th, 2019 at 4:27pm

Capt. Frank wrote on Nov 14th, 2019 at 3:33pm:
I have read that Clyde was partial to the Ford, because of it's speed.


A letter to Henry Ford from Clyde Barrow:

Dear Sir,
While I still have got breath in my lungs I will tell you what a dandy car you make. I have drove Fords exclusively when I could get away with one. For sustained speed and freedom from trouble the Ford has got ever other car skinned and even if my business hasn't been strictly legal it don't hurt anything to tell you what a fine car you got in the V8.
Yours truly,
Clyde Champion Barrow

Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 14th, 2019 at 5:40pm
The image of Clyde sitting on the bumper of the British car is exactly the same 'known' image of him sitting on the "Ford V-8".

The 'reused image' has shortened the length of the Krag barrel and Clyde's guns are no longer casting a shadow.

The "V-8" image, (a Real photograph of Clyde), shows a shadow on the ground of the semi-auto shotgun and Krag. The gun shadows show the Krag to actually have a barrel much longer  than the shotgun barrel.

I haven't found the photo of Bonnie, that was used with the image of the 'right-hand steering-wheel car'. (Although, I am sure it is an image of her).

IMHO - The Krag looks to be a model 1898, (with a carbine or shortened rifle barrel), put in a 'cut-down' rifle stock. A front-barrel-band appears jammed on the shortened forearm.

The rear sight looks to be a model 1896 sight with a 'sight-protecting' hand-guard.
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Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 14th, 2019 at 9:46pm
I just ran across the photo of Bonnie Parker that was used with the British car.

Someone 'flipped' this picture and 'photoshopped' it to create a bogus photograph.
I don't know who, or why?

(This image was used on a 'Wanted Poster', back during the 'Hunt' for these criminals, and the cigarette should be in her right hand).

I don't give a 'rats arse' about the Barrow Gang of Maggots. I just wanted a clear view of the Krag!
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Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by Whig on Nov 14th, 2019 at 10:15pm
The cigarette IS in her right hand.

Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 14th, 2019 at 11:09pm
'Flipped Bonnie' on Left, with British Motor Car - 'Real Bonnie' on Right, with Ford V-8:



Or, maybe .... Bonnie & Clyde were not 'done in' at the ambush in Louisiana and fled to GB and are hiding in Yorkshire, near Downton Abbey!
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Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by Whig on Nov 15th, 2019 at 1:17am
They look like identical twins. You just think it's the same person.

Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 15th, 2019 at 4:13am
A 'Mirror Image' of each other.

Bonnie was beside herself, when Clyde drove up in the Bentley!
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Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by psteinmayer on Nov 17th, 2019 at 3:43pm
IIRC, Clyde loved the Krag... and also preferred Ford V-8s not only because of their speed and ease of driving... also because they were extremely easy to steal!

Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 17th, 2019 at 4:17pm
Ya, but, a British car would allow Clyde to return fire with his 1911 Colt in the right-hand, while steering with the left. Bonnie was obviously ambidextrous .... smart.


(BTW - I honestly don't really care about Bonnie and Clyde. I was just trying to make out details on the Krag, when I realized, I was looking at a British car and 'Doctored' photo. It's a jungle out there)!

Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by Knute1 on Nov 17th, 2019 at 4:34pm
But if you would be interested in the Bonnie and Clyde story a good recent movie about them is "The Highwaymen" with Kevin Costner and Woody Harrelson on Netflix. Can't remember if they show a Krag on the movie, but it is more about the "highwaymen" then it is about B & C.
I watched the movie despite Costner's stance on gun ownership. He sure is in a lot of movies with them.

Here is a scene from the movie when Costner was rounding up some firearms to use:

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Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 17th, 2019 at 5:41pm
My wife, Bonnie, and I, enjoyed seeing the (Krag-less) movie, "The Highwaymen" .... and ya, that's how I go into my local gun shop!

"Bonnie & Chuck"  ;D

Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by Knute1 on Nov 18th, 2019 at 4:53am
Well, I had to watch the whole movie tonight (The Highwaymen) since I hadn't seen it since it first came out not all that long ago. The Krag rifle did make an appearance in the movie. It was at the very end during the credits. A vintage photo of the real Clyde barrow was shown with him in front of the Ford car with a few guns leaning against it, including a Krag.

Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by Whig on Nov 18th, 2019 at 9:50am
Another view with the Krag:

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Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by Knute1 on Nov 18th, 2019 at 11:43am
The picture shown at the end of the film appears to be taken at the same time and place as Whig's. But the guy in the film's photo was crouched down on his haunches, wore a solid suit and had a hat on. The guns were positioned in the exact way. I believe that the guy in Whig's photo was an accomplice of Barrow's.

Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by Whig on Nov 18th, 2019 at 11:49am
Will the real Clyde Barrow please stand up!

Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by butlersrangers on Nov 18th, 2019 at 3:06pm
The picture of Clyde Barrow, wearing a Fedora and squatting in front of the gun laden "V-8", was in the original post. (The "V-8" was stolen in Texas and has a Texas license-plate).

The pictured 'Barrow Gang' accomplice was "W.D." (William Daniel Jones), who was 16 or 17 years old in the photographs.

The Bonnie and Clyde Gang photographs were from a camera and several rolls of undeveloped film, that Police found at a Joplin, Mo. 'hideout', in 1933.
This was the scene of a violent shootout and a "large arsenal" of weapons were recovered. (Actually, seven guns:  four rifles, a 'sawed-off' shotgun, a revolver, and a BAR, I believe).

Later in July, 1933, the gang was in gun battles at Platte City, Mo. (Red Crown Motor Court - hideout) and 'Dexfield Park', near Dexter, Iowa, where larger amounts of military weapons were recovered.

FWIW - It is likely, the 'Gang's Krag' was recovered by Police at Joplin, Mo.
It is rather clear, the weapons preferred by the 'gang', in the later gun battles, were the BAR(s), sawed-off semi-auto shotguns, and 1911 Colts.

(BTW - Clyde was 25 and Bonnie 24 at the time of their deaths in Louisiana. Their crime spree lasted from 1932 to 1934).

(p.s. - God, their cars and 'digs' must have smelled really bad)!
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Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by Knute1 on Nov 18th, 2019 at 11:06pm
BR, you are right, it was in the original post. When I looked back I didn't see the obvious bigger picture in between the two smaller pictures. I think we discussed this before, but when looking for the mayo in the refrigerator I will pick it up to look behind it not knowing it is already in my hand. Frustrates the aach out of my wife.

Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by Whig on Nov 19th, 2019 at 2:24pm
Cartoons about anything.


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Title: Re: Bonnie & Clyde Photoshop?
Post by Whig on Nov 26th, 2019 at 12:20pm
Here are some more pictures and discussion of these famous weapons:

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