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Title: Carbine I.D.
Post by partsgone on Dec 22^nd, 2019 at 6:01pm

I have an 1896 Norwegian cavalry carbine or an 1897 Artillery Engineer carbine. It is marked 1900 on the receiver. The stock has had the rear artillery position hole filled in so I awesome that it is an Engineer. Is there any other way to I.D it? There are no marks on the stock. It is missing some parts I need to find and would like to know if the buttstock is the same as a rifle with the trap door or did they has a specific carbine one without.
Thanks

Title: Re: Carbine I.D.
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 22^nd, 2019 at 6:18pm

'Partsgone' - The serial number will allow identification of the original configuration on Norwegian Krags.

Title: Re: Carbine I.D.
Post by partsgone on Dec 22^nd, 2019 at 10:23pm

Would you know where i may find a list of serial number that will tell me.
thanks scott

Title: Re: Carbine I.D.
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 23^rd, 2019 at 2:12am

Brophy's book, "The Krag Rifle", or post your serial number, (using "XX" for the last two digits, if you must), and I will look it up.

Title: Re: Carbine I.D.
Post by Tom Butts on Dec 23^rd, 2019 at 2:36am

FWIW Post the whole number, with no Xs.

Title: Re: Carbine I.D.
Post by partsgone on Dec 23^rd, 2019 at 2:38am

my number is 4088 all matching but no butt plate, marked 1900
thanks scott

Title: Re: Carbine I.D.
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 23^rd, 2019 at 7:16am

'Partsgone' - Your Norwegian Krag appears to be a "Carbine M-1897 for Mountain Artillery and Royal Engineers".

In 1900 carbines were built to this classification from serial # 3,131 to 4,696.

The Mountain Artillery and Royal Engineer carbine has the rear 'Sling-Stud' placed 3.94 inches in front of the butt-plate. (Otherwise the guns are identical to the M-1895 Cavalry Carbine).

Both carbine models have a solid steel butt-plate, measuring 4.29" X 1.50", without a 'butt trap-door'.

Title: Re: Carbine I.D.
Post by partsgone on Dec 23^rd, 2019 at 2:06pm

Great, thanks again for your help.
scott

Title: Re: Carbine I.D.
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 23^rd, 2019 at 3:32pm

From a Norwegian reference, "Krag-Jorgensen Gevaeret" by Karl Egil Hanevik:

Norwegian_Engineers_Carbine_M-1897.jpg ( 30 KB | 1 Download )

Norwegian_Engineers_Carbine_production.jpg ( 116 KB | 0 Downloads )

Title: Re: Carbine I.D.
Post by partsgone on Dec 23^rd, 2019 at 4:08pm

great, The stock has a duffle cut, i see a company sells a new repair piece, but they are out. Do you know how it was finished? This one appears to have a true oil or flat varnish. Should it be a oil finish?
scott

Title: Re: Carbine I.D.
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 24^th, 2019 at 8:24am

Scott:

I believe the Norwegians used Raw Linseed Oil on lighter colored European walnut stocks.

Photo of model/1897 carbine and detail photo of a 'butt-swivel' (actually an 'eye-stud' that the Norwegian sling snapped onto).

Norw-M1897_002.JPG ( 25 KB | 0 Downloads )

norw-krag_butt2_002.JPG ( 69 KB | 0 Downloads )

Title: Re: Carbine I.D.
Post by partsgone on Dec 24^th, 2019 at 10:53pm

thanks again.The photos are very helpful. I love this carbine.

Title: Re: Carbine I.D.
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 25^th, 2019 at 2:23am

FWIW - Here is a picture of a Norwegian Sling on a model/1912 carbine.

Norge_M1912_1924__006.jpg ( 36 KB | 2 Downloads )

Title: Re: Carbine I.D.
Post by partsgone on Dec 26^th, 2019 at 6:08am

I'm guessing those slings down come up too often. Would you have a photo of the carbine butt plate?
thanks scott

Title: Re: Carbine I.D.
Post by butlersrangers on Dec 26^th, 2019 at 7:02am

Sorry, I don't have a 'full-view' butt-plate photo.