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Message started by King carp on Jan 16th, 2020 at 10:57pm

Title: The good, the bad and the ugly
Post by King carp on Jan 16th, 2020 at 10:57pm
No not the movie (one of the best westerns ever), the 1899 krag carbine I picked up in trade. It looks pretty nice. It has a nice handguard, headless bolt,carbine sight and cleaning  rod (the good). But the stock is cracked , missing a piece and repaired with a nail. It was poorly cared for with lots of pitting on the action. (the bad). Then there is the barrel. It was plugged up when I got it. After a lot of work it was found to be rotted out (the ugly). Any ideas what caused that really bad spot? It is about an inch long and 4 inches from the front of the barrel. I do not think this is a good candidate for restoration. It should be a good source for repair parts. Kc
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Post by King carp on Jan 16th, 2020 at 11:01pm
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Title: Re: The good, the bad and the ugly
Post by Whig on Jan 16th, 2020 at 11:05pm
Hope you didn't pay a lot for the parts gun. Nice to build up a parts bin.

Hard to say about the bore. Something got stuck in there for years and rusted. Is the front sight original? I have seen a replacement sight on another rifle that someone brazed or welded on and damaged the inside of the bore with the heating underneath the front sight that was repaired.

Can the stock be repaired?

Parts might be worth $300-500 with the carbine sight that looks sort of worn.

Title: Re: The good, the bad and the ugly
Post by King carp on Jan 16th, 2020 at 11:10pm
The damage in the bore is about 4 inches from the front sight. The sight is original to the carbine. I traded some WW2 German stuff for the carbine and another rifle. The German stuff does not really interest me so I was happy with the deal. I think the stock could be brought back to look pretty good.

Title: Re: The good, the bad and the ugly
Post by pickax on Jan 16th, 2020 at 11:20pm
You are right, the overall look is good. And I'm sure the stock crack could be repaired and strengthened.
But the barrel, oh my! I'm learning here, but assume carbine barrels are scarce as hens teeth?

Title: Re: The good, the bad and the ugly
Post by FredC on Jan 16th, 2020 at 11:31pm
We have something here called a leaf cutter bee. It will fill up holes with leaf bits and lay an egg in the leaf litter. Whether the larva lives or dies it makes a mess of metal parts. Could see one of these really doing a number on a rifle bore. If the bee can come through holes in window screens or whatever, I think they could nest in a rifle store inside or in a barn. On tractors all the tapped holes with no screws will all get filled up. We keep a compressed air nozzle by the front and back doors of the shop. Sometimes they get filled over a week end.

Title: Re: The good, the bad and the ugly
Post by King carp on Jan 16th, 2020 at 11:33pm
There is an outfit called criterion that has brand new replacement carbine barrels. They are $285.00. That plus installation did not seem worth doing on this carbine. Original carbine barrels show up on online auction sites sometimes.

Title: Re: The good, the bad and the ugly
Post by King carp on Jan 16th, 2020 at 11:36pm
That's a new one on me. I never heard of that. Must have some pretty caustic pollen! Thanks, kc

Title: Re: The good, the bad and the ugly
Post by butlersrangers on Jan 17th, 2020 at 2:07am
Spiders, Wasps, and other insects are known to have nested in rifle and gun bores causing serious bore damage.

I remember reading one African Hunter's account of inserting cartridges, bullet-end first, in the muzzles of the hunting rifles, stacked around the Safari Camp. This was to prevent insects from building mud nests in the bores. Such an obstruction could be catastrophic.

IMHO - Your Krag's stock is likely repairable. Possibly, the barrel could be salvaged by counter-boring.



Title: Re: The good, the bad and the ugly
Post by Mark_Daiute on Jan 17th, 2020 at 2:09am
simply have Bobby Hoyt re-line the barrel.

Title: Re: The good, the bad and the ugly
Post by King carp on Jan 17th, 2020 at 2:50am
I am not familiar with mr. Hoyt. Do you have a contact email? Thank you, kc

Title: Re: The good, the bad and the ugly
Post by Culpeper on Jan 17th, 2020 at 7:47am
I'm thinking after you get the stock up to speed perhaps you could clean the heck out of the barrel and put a couple of rounds through it and see what it does on paper.

I have a M1917 that the barrel was black as coal and pitted like a back country dirt road but shoots real good.  Just thinking out loud.

Title: Re: The good, the bad and the ugly
Post by King carp on Jan 17th, 2020 at 8:43pm
Thanks for everyone's input on the new project. I will have to make some decisions in the future on what to do.

Title: Re: The good, the bad and the ugly
Post by cquickel on Feb 14th, 2020 at 8:12pm
You mind if I add your rifle to the KCA serial number database?

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