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Message started by Rock on Mar 21st, 2020 at 12:23pm

Title: New to krags please help
Post by Rock on Mar 21st, 2020 at 12:23pm
New member here,I just got an 1896 krag carbine with what looks to be an 1892 bolt, it has a pin that holds in the safety and a screw holding the extractor, how do I know if it's a highnpin or low pin because the safety lever broke off at somepoint

Title: Re: New to krags please help
Post by butlersrangers on Mar 21st, 2020 at 12:39pm
"Rock" - Welcome to the KCA Forum.

Please post some clear close-up pictures of your "new" Krag, so we can help with your question.

"Granpa's Gun Parts", listed in the KCA Classifieds, has the 'Safety-Lever', (under Krag 1892-94), that you would need to fit your Bolt-Sleeve.
(BTW - This Vendor also sells on EBAY as 'Movieman630'. He is a fine source of parts).

I have attached his photos of the relevant early Bolt-Sleeves to help you ID yours. The difference is subtle!
The fact that your part broke is an indication of why the early pinned-safety was abandoned.

(Actually, your 1896 carbine was built and originally issued with a later style of Bolt-Sleeve. The 'obsolete' parts on your carbine are a bit of a puzzle).
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Title: Re: New to krags please help
Post by Rock on Mar 21st, 2020 at 1:42pm
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Title: Re: New to krags please help
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Title: Re: New to krags please help
Post by Rock on Mar 21st, 2020 at 1:45pm
Sorry I can't make the images any smaller so I had to post links to each one

Title: Re: New to krags please help
Post by Rock on Mar 21st, 2020 at 3:01pm
Is it at all possible the bolt is original and they just swapped the sleeve or were the bolts different

Title: Re: New to krags please help
Post by Whig on Mar 21st, 2020 at 3:27pm
Rock, Here's the link to a post I did comparing the different Krag bolts. Some of this may be helpful for you with your bolt questions:

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The following information is copied from Poyer's Krag manual:

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Title: Re: New to krags please help
Post by Whig on Mar 21st, 2020 at 3:38pm
Here are your pictures re-sized so they can post here:

If you are ordering parts, see if you can find a correct extractor screw since the one you have currently sits proud of the extractor and it should be much more flush, as in the pictures linked above. Not that important but it would look better.
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Title: Re: New to krags please help
Post by butlersrangers on Mar 21st, 2020 at 3:48pm
'Rock' - I am going on the slightest of clues, but, I think your Krag is a 'parts gun' put together by Francis Bannerman and Sons.

Your Stock looks to be adapted from a 1903 Springfield stock. This was a practice of Bannerman's to utilize their stash of surplus parts.

The sure proof would be stock cross-bolts and a 'wood plug' closing off the bottom magazine opening.

Attached - OP's photos showing 1903 cut-off recess and cross-bolt. These features are not found on Krag stocks.
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Title: Re: New to krags please help
Post by Rock on Mar 21st, 2020 at 3:58pm
Yes the magazine well does have a plug in it do it would make sense it's a parts pieced together, so could I in theory just get the correct 1896 bolt sleeve extractor and safety and fit it in or would I need a whole new bolt, I have a stock on the way as this one was either worn or sanded to remove imperfections and it's really noticable high and low spots in it

Title: Re: New to krags please help
Post by butlersrangers on Mar 21st, 2020 at 4:19pm
We need to see the bolt-rib and the area underneath bolt-handle to tell you what model bolt you have.

FWIW - Later bolt parts fit and function in earlier actions. A later bolt-sleeve & safety-lever can replace your current one.

Show us clear photos, (smaller than 768 KB, will post), of your front and rear sights.

A serial number will allow identifying if your Krag was ever a model 1896 carbine.

Attached; Photos relevant to Bannerman Krag
Bannerman_Frankengun-1_001.jpg ( 165 KB | 0 Downloads )
Bannerman_Frankengun-2_001.jpg ( 64 KB | 0 Downloads )

Title: Re: New to krags please help
Post by Rock on Mar 21st, 2020 at 5:51pm
Yes the magazine well does have a plug in it do it would make sense it's a parts pieced together, so could I in theory just get the correct 1896 bolt sleeve extractor and safety and fit it in or would I need a whole new bolt, I have a stock on the way as this one was either worn or sanded to remove imperfections and it's really noticable high and low spots in it

Title: Re: New to krags please help
Post by Ned Butts on Mar 21st, 2020 at 6:48pm
Yes you could get serviceable parts and swap them out

Title: Re: New to krags please help
Post by Rock on Mar 23rd, 2020 at 11:28pm
So going by the link I have an 1898 bolt body with a high pinned safety bolt sleeve, from the looks of the rifle when I got it it had been fired quite a bit but is that even safe with the mismatched parts

Title: Re: New to krags please help
Post by butlersrangers on Mar 24th, 2020 at 2:49am
I don't consider "parts mismatch" the issue or point of danger.

I am apprehensive about making a recommendation about firing these Bannerman 'salvage Krags'.

The guys that cobbled them together certainly were not going out on a limb in 1914. They were not guaranteeing them!

The Bannerman catalog page description is kind of scary with vague mention of "fire damaged parts" and re-tempering.

Maybe the quality of parts improved, on later Bannerman Krags that used altered 1903 Springfield stocks.

I'm not a 'shrinking violet', but, some guns are 'too iffy' to risk my life, limb, and 'movie star looks'.

I would want an "experienced hand" examining this one, directly.

Title: Re: New to krags please help
Post by cquickel on Mar 28th, 2020 at 4:16pm
Hi Rock,

Does any of your bolt parts have any small numbers stamped on them?

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