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Newbie saying "Howdy/Thanks!" and with a few QQs..
Apr 13th, 2010 at 10:56pm
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Howdy, folks!  Been lurking for a few months (and learned a heckuvalot!  Thanks!!) and finally decided to join.

I was recently bequeathed an 1898 Krag rifle.  Been through Poyer line-by-line and the config doesn't match anything I see there or on the web. 

My best guess:  MFG 1904 (according to SN/Poyer) but stock not original, based on the complete lack of any cartouches, proof marks, the shortened length, and the rough fitting around the trigger plate, the stock configuration between the bolt handle (closed) and the magazine gate.  Given the original buttplate & rear site, and the quality sling swivels (re-fitted from a carbine?  they look like they belong, but nothing like them in pics of other rifles…) I wonder if this was refitted on some Army base at some point.  It does not look bubba'ed, but the barrel is 29.5 inches, not 30, and the crown is decent --  re-crowned?

I'd be grateful if folks could tell me where my analysis is good and (especially) bad.  Thanks!

In re the cracked stock, have a replacement stock (from Boyds) that will take a little fitting, and  an original front barrel band incoming from DeChristopher.

Not much of the original finish left, but would I be damaging value if I re-blued, or should I leave as is?  (It will be kept in a basement gunsafe with multiple levels of H2O control).  Seems to me much of the collector value is tied to an original stock, and this rifle is now heading towards at least it's third (with my new one).  While the rifle has significant sentimental value to me, I intend to use it as a shooter (if I can ever find ammo…) and an heirloom, not an investment.  I'd be grateful to benefit from the wisdom of the Board on these matters.  Thanks!

will attach pics when I can figure that out…
  
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Re: Newbie saying "Howdy/Thanks!" and with a few QQs..
Reply #1 - Apr 13th, 2010 at 11:01pm
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if this worked, here's a pic...

aaach -- didn't work.  all my pics exceed the attachment size limit.  sorry!  Hope my descriptions are adequate... (for now).
  
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Re: Newbie saying "Howdy/Thanks!" and with a few QQs..
Reply #2 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 12:15am
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Welcome! Just a few random thoughts for you (please feel free to disregard). 1) Hold the rifle. 2) Study the rifle - appreciate what it has been through in the last 100 years or so. 3) Learn to take it down, clean it and reassemble it - understand it. 3) Shoot it - learn its feel. 4) Search your feelings - many catch the Krag fever some do not. 5) THEN decide what your next steps should be. Maybe another project would be better? (I would bet against that though!) I have found that wherever you're headed, surprise opportunities are here and there - look out for the fun times along the way!  Smiley
  

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Reply #3 - Apr 16th, 2010 at 1:08am
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Thanks, Century 2 -- good advice all.  Long since followed it, which is why I'm hooked hard.  What I'm wrestling with now is trying to determine if my rifle has any serious collector value and how I should proceed.  I don't want to make any mistakes.    I'm inclined at least to replace the stock, but should I repair my broken stock as well (which is, itself, I think, a replacement stock, as per my original post...).  And since it has little or no blue left on it, I wonder about re-bluing.  It seems wrong, but I could use some advice (Dick Hosmer, Tom Butts, anybody out there?).

My rifle looks very much like the one Stuart posted a pic of in his post on 26 Feb, except my stock is cracked...  let's see if I can attach it (and thanks to Stuart!)
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 17th, 2010 at 11:44am
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I have done a couple Boyds stocks, they do require some fit and all finish but can be done. As to the current stock, I would mortise and tenon a new forend onto it and depending on the severity of the crack, repair that too. Your weapon appears to be shortened at the best spot to add a replacement forend, some color matching of old wood and new and they work just fine.
As to the "bluing" Krags were hot oil quenched finish for the most part, so I would suggest you just keep the weapon oiled well and let the age and metal patina be your finish.
Just a couple thoughts.
  
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Re: Newbie saying "Howdy/Thanks!" and with a few QQs..
Reply #5 - Apr 17th, 2010 at 2:00pm
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Thanks, Tanker!  I appreciate the input.  Your suggestions track my inclinations.  The stock is about as busted as a stock can get, but it should be repairable.  I've got a good gunsmith to whom I would trust it (or anything).   Not sure about mortising the fore-end, though.  Since it is (I think) a replacement stock, anyway, the sentimental restoration target would be the configuration in which I received it from my friend.  The full-on original config restoration  I reckon I'll chase with the Boyds.  Probably have to get an upper handguard from Tom Butts as well, though... 

I read Poyer on the oil quench finish, as you mentioned, but I am not entirely sure what that means or how it differs from blueing.  I've heard on another gunboard that EEZOX oil is great for rust prevention and health maintenance, so I'll probably try that, unless somebody else has a better idea.

thanks again!
  
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