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GUTS KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 26 Location: South Dakota Joined: Oct 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Oct 5^th, 2011 at 12:52am	Print Post
	This is my nice 1898 Krag(at least I think so). I have shot it at our range and it is very accurate and fun to shoot. The serial number is 291XXX. (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) The bore is excellent. (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* to view media files and links)
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mjanway KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 33 Joined: Mar 3^rd, 2011	Re: Here is the rifle with the 1901 cartouche Reply #1 - Oct 5^th, 2011 at 1:15am	Print Post
	Very nice indeed!


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Here is the rifle with the 1901 cartouche Reply #2 - Oct 5^th, 2011 at 5:19am	Print Post
	Yes, very nice, AND confirms that the headless cocking piece is NOT exclusive to carbines! Hate to say this, but the cartouche looks like "1900" to me!


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GUTS KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 26 Location: South Dakota Joined: Oct 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Here is the rifle with the 1901 cartouche Reply #3 - Oct 5^th, 2011 at 11:13am	Print Post
	Sorry about that, long days at work and my brain is fading(I corrected it!).
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5MadFarmers Ex Member	Re: Here is the rifle with the 1901 cartouche Reply #4 - Oct 5^th, 2011 at 11:45pm	Print Post
	Dick Hosmer wrote on Oct 5^th, 2011 at 5:19am: Yes, very nice, AND confirms that the headless cocking piece is NOT exclusive to carbines! Hate to say this, but the cartouche looks like "1900" to me!� Mystified by how that would be so on an arsenal refinished rifle.


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GUTS KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 26 Location: South Dakota Joined: Oct 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Reply #5 - Oct 6^th, 2011 at 12:20am	Print Post
	What makes you say it's arsenal refinished, were they all? I thought US Military rifles that were arsenal refinished were stamped with the mark from the arsenal they were refinished at, unless Krags weren't marked like later rifles are.


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5MadFarmers Ex Member	Re: Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Reply #6 - Oct 6^th, 2011 at 12:34am	Print Post
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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Reply #7 - Oct 6^th, 2011 at 1:23am	Print Post
	Guts:� You have a very nice rifle with interesting features like the "headless" cocking piece and an 1898 rear sight modified to 1902 configuration.� I believe your serial number dates from November, 1900.� The condition of your rifle appears very good.� Your stock appears to have a very nice grain.� I wonder if it is one of the stock blanks obtained from Italy?� (I have a cut down rifle stock with a "1900" cartouche that is definitely a European Walnut).


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GUTS KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 26 Location: South Dakota Joined: Oct 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Reply #8 - Oct 6^th, 2011 at 3:00am	Print Post
	Quote: (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) I guess I don't understand the browned vs not browned reference you highlighted in the photo, can you explain it some for me, thanks.


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5MadFarmers Ex Member	Re: Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Reply #9 - Oct 6^th, 2011 at 10:34pm	Print Post
	The "shelf" is browned for almost all of its distance.� Except the very front.� That's in the white.� As made that "shelf" on that rifle had a consistent finish on the entire shelf.� Imagine masking off a flat surface and finishing it.� Then removing the masking tape.� The bit under the tape wouldn't be finished.� Which is what we're seeing there.� The front of the shelf is in the white whereas most of it is browned.� When originally made it was all the same finish.� That is "browned" during rebuild with them missing the front of that shelf. The receiver wasn't browned at SA.� It was browned during rebuild and they missed the front of the shelf.� The guide lip also has that inconsistent finish.� Ergo, the gun was arsenal refinished. The reality is most were.� Far too many people assume the gun is "original" when that is in fact almost never so. Very few guns are "original." That doesn't move your rifle into the "junk pile" as most were refinished whether people realize it or not. It's a nice rifle. It was arsenal refinished as were most from that time. They went to parkerizing on '03s for a reason. They couldn't keep the browning from wearing off. Quickly. The guns were carried in the rain, sun, etc. They lost their finish quickly. When returned from the units they were refinished as a matter of procedure. RIA's inventory reports only have two columns: new and refinished. It was either one or the other. SA, RIA, Benicia, and Manilla all had browning facilities and they all used them. Heavily.


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tanker KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 57 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2009	Re: Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Reply #10 - Oct 6^th, 2011 at 10:57pm	Print Post
	GUTS; beautiful weapon, I'm sure it will serve you well and provide hours of enjoyment. The headless cocking piece, IMO, accentuates the clean lines of the weapon very well, I'm sort of partial to that feature since I have one also on an 1899 schools rifle. From the comments here it seems like you have an original US military rifle in a condition that is commensurate with US military service and authorized modifications. While it might not be a NIB SA weapon make no mistake, it is as the US military wanted it and you are very fortunate to have it. I have fired dozens of US military weapons while in the US Army and I can guarantee you that none of them were as they were originally produced and many modifications were applied to all of them in addition to parts being replaced due to wear. Regardless of where the repairs were done, as long as they were completed by approved methods they were in original configuration for military purposes and accountability. Enjoy, and have fun shooting it, that's what the bullets are for!


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GUTS KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 26 Location: South Dakota Joined: Oct 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Reply #11 - Oct 6^th, 2011 at 11:11pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the helpfull information and the compliments fellas, it is good to learn things from those that know!


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5MadFarmers Ex Member	Re: Here is the rifle with the 1900 cartouche Reply #12 - Oct 6^th, 2011 at 11:51pm	Print Post
	tanker wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 10:57pm: From the comments here it seems like you have an original US military rifle in a condition that is commensurate with US military service and authorized modifications. While it might not be a NIB SA weapon make no mistake, it is as the US military wanted it and you are very fortunate to have it. Exactly. It seems that every one is after "as made." Very few will be that. "As issued" is what they are. You've nailed it there. It's a nice rifle.


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