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Grandfathers Krag
Oct 10th, 2011 at 4:40am
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I have a Krag that my grandfather reportedly used in the Spanish-American War. It has model 1898 on it with a S/N 332861 Springfield Armory. The 6 in the S/N may be a 5. It is struck so deep it is difficult to make out. On the stock left side above the trigger are letters engraved in a fancy script which is hard to make out. I think there are 3 letters and the last one is probably an A. below the letters is the number 1901. Please help identify the rifle. I also need a rear sight. If blueprints are available I can make one as I am a tool and die maker machinist and I have access to a machine shop. Thanks in advance. P. Armstrong Cry
  
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Reply #1 - Oct 10th, 2011 at 6:09am
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While your Model 1898 Krag was originally quite similar to those used in the Spanish-American war, its serial number and the year 1901 below the acceptance initials (JSA) point to production after the war had ended.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 10th, 2011 at 6:57am
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P. Armstrong:  There is lots of useful information to be found  on the KCA web site.  You can search various topics by using the search window.  If you mouse click on "Visit the KCA Website Today", you go to a Main Page that allows you to click on "photos".  This will access lots of information and pictures of the various Krag sights and hand-guards.  I think you would enjoy getting a reference book on the Krag.  I will not mention titles.  I am feeling 'snake bit' lately by a fellow KCA member, who gives a scathing response any time I have mentioned an inexpensive and commonly available work.  Charles McArthur
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 10th, 2011 at 4:02pm
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I know what you mean. The Poyer book is not infallible; but, for a mere $20 it will take a person off the street who knows nothing about Krags and give him a "high school diploma".

If you want an "MS" in Krags, get Mallory and Brophy. That will cost you $150 to $200 more. The info is slightly more accurate (let's say there are fewer egregious and/or careless errors) but the pictures are much better. Brophy had a much larger production budget than Mallory, so you need his photographs to see what Mallory was talking about.

A Krag PhD will require the book(s) that are yet to be written. They will provide a great deal of well-deserved personal satisfaction to the author, but, unless reasonably priced, will probably not see wide circulation. Which, if I understand him only a teensy bit, will not bother said author in the least!  Smiley

Just my $.02 worth.
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 10th, 2011 at 4:15pm
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Dick Hosmer, You are always a Gentleman and a kindly and valuable resource!  For anyone wanting some cheap (and probably flawed information), I noticed a tattered and shop worn 1st edition of Poyer's book on eBay for less than $8.00, postage included!  You can find it listed under "Krag".  Charles McArthur
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 10th, 2011 at 5:05pm
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P. Armstrong wrote on Oct 10th, 2011 at 4:40am:
I also need a rear sight. If blueprints are available I can make one as I am a tool and die maker machinist and I have access to a machine shop. Thanks in advance. P. Armstrong Cry


Cheaper to buy one.  The sights all have specific hand-guards with the hand-guards costing more than the sights.  If your rifle retains the hand-guard you'll want to match that.  If you're missing both you'd be well advised to shop for a hand-guard and match that, not vice versa, as the hand-guards get more than the sights.  1901 or 1902 would be fine.  Pictures of the models are off the main page under photos.

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They will provide a great deal of well-deserved personal satisfaction to the author, but, unless reasonably priced, will probably not see wide circulation. Which, if I understand him only a teensy bit, will not bother said author in the least!


Not sure it's either/or.  An abridged free web edition would suffice for most needs.  A "pocket book" would work better perhaps but not something I'd do.  I'll have the photos from the full thing as well as the data digitized.  Wouldn't take much effort to post that as the work will already be done for the paper.

Not something I need to deal with yet.

Speaking of which, and I hate suggesting other people do work, there is nothing stopping the KCA from expanding the photo section to cover the basics.  It'd make the KCA the go to site for Krags.
 
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 2:37am
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5MadFarmers:  What name do you write under?  I'm sure your pending Krag book will be the last word.  Charles McArthur
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 3:23am
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It'll be under my own name.  Farmer the Joe.

No, it won't be the last word.  Everybody focuses on the SRS as Mallory's significant work but I think there was more value in printing the SA reports.  Similarly Brophy's '03 work is downright epic - more so than his Krag work.

What they had to build on was "very little" which makes their works more impressive.  I have the advantage of having their books to ensure I don't assert something stupid.  I'll also have the first two sets I'm doing which expand the source material available greatly.  Kind of a sad thought in some ways.  The first set, akin to Mallory's printing of SA's reports, will be simple transcription of a set of rare ordnance books which most are unaware of.  That set, in spite of being the least amount of work, may hold the most value.  The second set is simply more background but that will represent the most work on my part.  The Krag book is just the result of the second set and my own personal interest.

I'll have the first and second set to assist me.  Others will have all three and should be able to better the Krag work at some point.  At least I hope so.  I'm just going to make it sporting.

Won't be for a while.  The pile is big and the candles few.

  
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Reply #8 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 4:12am
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If I understand your reply correctly you think I am an author?  Not At the speed I type. I just need a little info on availability of a rear sight for my Krag, and a few other items such as source of ammo, is the barrel length measured from tip of the barrel to the end of the chamber. I am totally ignorant of the nomenclature used in describing things. That can be cured by knowledge. I Thank very much for the reply!!    Pat Armstrong  KF5YZ (I am an extra amateur radio operator) Cool Smiley.
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 3:22pm
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Pat Armstrong:  Apparently, Farmer the Joe (5MadFarmers) is an author.  Unfortunately, some of your question(s) got lost in our banter.  Barrel length is properly measured by inserting a cleaning rod from the muzzle until it stops against the closed bolt.  Mark the rod with a marker or piece of tape at the muzzle.  Remove the rod and measure from the tip to your mark.  Original length barrels will be 22 inches (Carbine) or 30 inches (Rifle) with a front sight stud neatly brazed to the barrel.  (There is also a very rare 26 inch barrel for the Board of Ordnance and Fortifications rifle).  Many Krag barrels have been shorten to make hunting rifles.  Commercial and various banded front sights typically give these away.  Posted photos of your rifle will get you a lot of info. and suggestions.  Does your stock extend to near the muzzle with a front barrel-band with bayonet lug or is it carbine length ending in a tappered wood tip inches in front of the rear barrel band?  Do you have a wooden hand guard on the top of your barrel with an opening where the rear sight would mount on the barrel?  These questions have a relevance as to the proper rear sight for your Krag.  Charles McArthur  
  
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