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Sedgley Krag 1898
Oct 30th, 2011 at 2:18am
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Hi all, new to the forum and to Krag ownership, I picked this up yesterday at a small shop in MD.  There was no claim by the seller of what it is other than an 1898 Krag 30/40.  As it was very clean and with a bore in great shape and was priced reasonably I went ahead and added it to my US Martial Arms collection. 

My limited research so far tells me that I have a 1901 production Krag 1898 that was originally built as a rifle.  The rear sight is from an 1896 Carbine and appears to be correct with it's markings.  The front sight appears to be a sleeve made from a Krag sight and barrel, not a common 1903 sight sleeve as most have and is fitted on a turned barrel that measures exactly 22" from the breech.  The seller thought the small S in a circle just below the rear sight to mean Springfield, however my research shows that to actually be the stamp of R.F. Sedgley of Philadelphia, a converter of Krags from 1920-1940 or so.  The "S" stamp is present again in the barrel channel of the stock as seen in the pictures as well, which I'm guessing means they are the ones who cut and refinished the stock.  The rear sling swivels are expertly installed and inlet and appear to be from the 1899 carbine, the front barrel band also appears to be from that later carbine model.  The stock does not wear any cartouches on it's left side, however the "P" marking is faintly present under the trigger guard. 

So is my research correct so far, or do I need to be schooled.  If so, school me!   Grin
  
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Re: Sedgley Krag 1898
Reply #1 - Oct 30th, 2011 at 2:20am
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Front sight pic.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 30th, 2011 at 2:21am
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Circle "S" on top of barrel.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 30th, 2011 at 2:22am
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Left side.
  
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Re: Sedgley Krag 1898
Reply #4 - Oct 30th, 2011 at 2:23am
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Rear sight top.  Marked to 2000yds with C marking.
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 30th, 2011 at 2:24am
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Rear sight side w/ C marking.
  
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Re: Sedgley Krag 1898
Reply #6 - Oct 30th, 2011 at 3:46am
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Not sure about the specifics of your rifle. I have heard of sedgley sporters.  Would it be possible to see a picture showing the whole rifle from the butt of the stock to the tip of the barrel?
  
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Re: Sedgley Krag 1898
Reply #7 - Oct 31st, 2011 at 3:19am
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mark392001:  Your research is correct about the Sedgley "s" mark on the barrel of your Krag sporter.  It appears Sedgley converted some Krags into low cost sporters by recycling GI parts in novel ways to keep costs down.  Your carbine rear sight is probably worth a couple of hundred dollars.  (Unfortunately a square notch has been filed into the pivot end of the 'ladder').  Still, this sight is in greatest demand of the Krag rear sights.  You might consider replacing it with a more common rifle version.  Your reused front sight is a neat feature on your shortened Krag rifle barrel.  I can't comment on your stock because your photos don't show it completely.  There were no sling swivels originally on carbine stocks and carbine barrel bands are solid and retained by a flat spring inletted into the forend tip.  (My Sedgley sporter is marked on the receiver ring, has a recycled & rechambered,1905 dated, Springfield barrel, and a crudely reshaped & repaired Krag rifle stock).  Enjoy your Krag;  you have a neat shooter/sporter!
  
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Re: Sedgley Krag 1898
Reply #8 - Oct 31st, 2011 at 5:53am
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Thanks for the reply!  I found it even more interesting that the seller had recently had another Sedgley listed on GB (I bought this one in their shop and the other had been subjected to some receiver modification for the aftermarket rear sight).  I may inquire if the two had been acquired from the same source as it seems highly coincidental. 

Here's the listing where they had the other one listed, but it didn't sell:

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Re: Sedgley Krag 1898
Reply #9 - Nov 1st, 2011 at 3:24am
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mark392001:  The gunbroker listing you shared shows how "3rd Worldish" some of the guns cobbled together by Sedgley, Kirk Stokes, and Bannerman were.  The Sedgley on gunbroker utilizes a reworked 1903 Springfield stock.  The barrel band is improvised.  The handguard and rear-sight are 1892 Krag rifle.  The rear peep sight is a 'no drill' Redfield.  It appears Sedgley re-blued the 1896 Krag rifle action with shortened barrel and installed a 1903 Springfield front-sight base to hold a commercial blade.  Such rifles were low cost assemblies of commonly available cheap surplus parts.  They may have been useful "poorboy" alternatives at a time (1920's-30's) when factory guns were a major investment and a Depression was going on.  These improvised sporters are interesting but a poor investment.  They are shunned by most collectors, often over-priced, and often passed off as U.S. Armory rarities.  They are only worth their parts and utility value.  Sedgley may have turned out some better quality 1903 Springfield Sporters.  The Sedgley Krags I've seen have been spartan and crude.
  
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Reply #10 - Nov 1st, 2011 at 10:20am
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Interesting.  I definitely like the characteristics of my rifle more than the other one.
  
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Re: Sedgley Krag 1898
Reply #11 - Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:24am
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There is an article on Krags in the Fur Fish and Game magazine from November 1920. The article is from "The Gun Rack" on page 18.  The article talks about the hunting qualities in of the Krag and favors the carbine over the "clumsy" rifle. The carbine was obviously still available as military surplus, so sporterizing Krag rifles was probably not popular/necessary at the time. But for $5 versus $50 it was a steal for a quality firearm. As the article states, if you loose it over the side of a canoe you weren't loosing much of a big investment. Thus, that mentality may have lead to the rough abuse some Krags have been through. And if you crudely bubba-ize a Krag at least it wasn't that valuable, at least back then.
By the way, I own a bubba-ized Krag and won't give it up.
I can't seem to paste the web site, it has too many caps for this forum's rules. But go to Google Books and search for (fur fish game krag rifle) and you might find it.
  
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Re: Sedgley Krag 1898
Reply #12 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 12:12am
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I have one of the Sedgely Sporters.  It was rebarrelled with a Sedgely barrel which has a pronounced taper just fwd of the receiver.  The barrel is stamped, "R. F. Sedgely Inc  Philadelphia, PA"  on top about four inches from the receiver.  The left side of the barrel (at the chamber) is stamped "30/40" with an "S" in a circle.

Carl D.
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 1:07am
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That's a nice and interesting photo, Carl.  I'd like to see a complete picture of your sporter.  Chuck
  
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Re: Sedgley Krag 1898
Reply #14 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 1:30pm
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Here's a couple more photos of my Sedgely Krag.  I believe Sedgely sold a bunch of surplus Krags as cheap sporters, but he also built a small number of high grade Krag Sporters.  When I got this sporter, it came with a very cheap looking aperature rear sight mounted on the bolt with a screw where the extractor rivet normally is.  It was adjustable for windage and elevation.

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