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Reloading .30-40 Krag
Feb 5th, 2012 at 5:59am
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Since I can't find any factory .30-40 Krag, and even if I could I wouldn't want to shoot it for some reasons I've read about, I need to gear up to reload for my Krag. I have some questions though:

- I'm having a real tough time finding some 220gr cast lead .30 cal bullets sized above .308. My Krags barrel slugs to .311, so I guess I need .311 or .312. I did find some 190gr sized to .311 that are for .303 British. Can someone point me to where I can find some .30 cal cast lead bullets sized to .311 or .312 that are heavier, like 180gr or higher? Also do I need gas check bullets if I am shooting mild loads? This is all I could find; (You need to Login to view media files and links).

- What powder is good for a mild load for punching paper? I've read even some medium loads can crack the bolt on a Krag.

- Do I need to trim rifle brass in a bolt action after every firing?

- Remington or Winchester, which .30-40 Krag bass is better? Apparently some prefer Winchester but Remington is all Midway USA has in stock.

Thanks for your help.
  
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Re: Reloading .30-40 Krag
Reply #1 - Feb 5th, 2012 at 8:10am
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As for brass, you will probably be stuck with whatever an individual supplier has on hand or can get.  30-40 brass is probably on the "seasonal" or some other short run list.  It is apparently not an every-day production item.  If you buy bulk brass, either Winchester or Remington, some of the cases will need trimming (slightly) to true up case mouths.  All should be at least neck-sized, de-burred & chamfered before the first loading.

Get a Wilson case gauge for 30-40 and use it on every case each time you reload.  Midway has them for about $30.  They will never wear out.  The Wilson gauge will tell you when you need to trim your fired cases.

Following is a link to Buffalo Arms as a source of cast bullets. 

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Hard cast bullets will not turn your Krag into a Pope-barreled target rifle.  But if you experiment with them, you can get results that will keep most of your shots in the 10-ring at 100 yards, assuming that your eyes & the Krag sights are up to the task.  The Gardner's Cache site is selling 500 bullets.  If they don't work well, you may be stuck with 450 that you have not much use for.  Buffalo (& others) sell boxes or bags of 50 or 100.  The bullets intended for the .303 British work very well in most Krags.  Try several styles & sizes.  Maybe even the .314 bullets on the Buffalo site.

Gas checks are helpful if you are trying to shoot faster than about 1600 fps.  But they must be seated squarely.  If not, a flyer is guaranteed.  Never seat a gas check bullet with the gas check below the case neck, extending into the main case.  If the gas check gets loose, you could have all sorts of problems.

Guys who shoot a lot of lead bullets in old military rifles use mild loads of Re-7 or 3031 or one of the specialist powders.  If you have 4064, you can start with that.  You will see recommendations for loads with SR-4759 or for one of the #2400 powders or for 4227. Be careful there!
  
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Re: Reloading .30-40 Krag
Reply #2 - Feb 5th, 2012 at 8:26am
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Here is another source of bullets for the Krag.

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Read a lot of old manuals and pick a starting load, not a maximum load.  Be very careful with powder.  Weigh each charge.  Do each step by hand, one case at a time. Do not rely on any automated process.  Check the depth of powder in each case with a flashlight or home-made gauge (dowel).  Avoid double charging at all costs!
  
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Re: Reloading .30-40 Krag
Reply #3 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 12:07am
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The Krag is a very easy cartridge to handload for. I shoot predominantly cast bullets from mine - the Lee C312-185-1R sized .312 cast from 100% wheel weights. Powder charge is 19 gr of SR 4759 which is an excellent cast bullet powder. As the above post stated, watch for seasonal brass and buy in bulk. I use a .303 British neck sizer to neck size only. The brass will last a very long time that way. For pig hunting loads, I use H4350 under either a 180 gr Hornady round nose or the 220 gr Hornady round nose. These bullets are not as accurate as cast as they are a bit undersized for my bore.
  
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Re: Reloading .30-40 Krag
Reply #4 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 12:19am
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Hornady makes .312 size bullets in 150, 174, 180 and 190 grains.  The 174 grain bullets are the normal size for both the .303 British, AND the Japanese 7.7 Arisaka.  If you only intend on shooting Paper, IMHO I would stay away from heavier rounds and stick with lighter weight bullets.  My normal target load (I no longer hunt, and only shoot paper) is a Hornady 165 grain boattailed spitzer loaded with 38.6 grains of IMR 4064.  My velocities are around 2200 (guestimated) and my pressures remain relatively low...  And pretty deadly accurate at 100-200 yards. 

IMR 4064 is a medium burning powder that works very well with 150 to 180 grain bullets, and I use this in my 30-06 reloads for my Garand Rifle too!  What every powder you wind up using, be sure to consult a good reloading manual to work up your loads.  A good rule of thumb is to stay below max loads.  I try to stay 2 below max for my bullet weight and powder, just as an added safety measure, and my accuracy hasn't suffered yet.

As for brass, it's a wash.  Either brand will work equally well.  The only thing I can think of to note is that Winchester brass cleans up nicer than Remington.  Remington brass sometimes tends to be darker in color and tarnishes easily. 

Happy reloading!
Paul
  
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Re: Reloading .30-40 Krag
Reply #5 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 2:54am
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- I'm having a real tough time finding some 220gr cast lead .30 cal bullets sized above .308. My Krags barrel slugs to .311, so I guess I need .311 or .312.

Did you slug the throat (leade)?  If not, verify the groove dia there is also .311"  Also, get a sample .311" or .312" bullet & seat them is a case to make a dummy round.  Verify the larger bullet, seated in a case, will easily chamber. \

Get a copy of a good loading manual.  I prefer the Lyman 49 and it covers both jacketed & cast bullet loading techniques & data with a variety of components.

- What powder is good for a mild load for punching paper?
Any of the 4895 powders work.  For cast bullets, consider 2400.

I've read even some medium loads can crack the bolt on a Krag.  I haven't heard this but I suppose anything can happen.  Have a competent gunsmith, familiar with Krag actions, check yours if you have any doubts about it.

- Do I need to trim rifle brass in a bolt action after every firing?

Maybe not after every firing but perhaps every 2-3 firings.  The Lee case trimmer system is the cheapest & easiest system to use.  Measure cases after each firing to make sure they do not exceed max case length.

- Remington or Winchester, which .30-40 Krag bass is better? Apparently some prefer Winchester but Remington is all Midway USA has in stock.

I prefer Winchester but Remington is fine as well.
  
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