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Mdl 89 rebarrel by Schultz and Larsen
Apr 10th, 2012 at 9:28pm
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Cheers, I am looking for some information on a Danish Krag Model 89, dated 1894 which looks like a sniper, but was rebarreled to 45-70 by Schultz and Larsen. They may have cut it the stock down, so am not sure. It was a buddy's of mine and am trying to get information for his widow for resale.. The only markings on the barrel, which is a massive bull, is a 45..70 about an inch from the end on the barrel on the underside and on the top of the barrel under the handguard is marked the normal for Otterup. The stock, upper handguard and block serial numbers match XXX21, but the bolt has a different, which doesn't really surprise me since they went to 45-70. Any information would be appreciated..thanks..Eric
  
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Re: Mdl 89 rebarrel by Schultz and Larsen
Reply #1 - Apr 10th, 2012 at 9:52pm
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Re: Mdl 89 rebarrel by Schultz and Larsen
Reply #2 - Apr 10th, 2012 at 10:16pm
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Interesting rifle Eric! I believe that I read/saw somewhere that native Greenlanders had 45/70 version of the Dane Krag for Polar bear hunting, but I can't seem to place it now!!I wish I knew something more about it to help you out. I have a 45/70 on a Dane receiver (previously bubbaed) that I had made for me and a single shot version on a US receiver. When you establish a price I would be interested in first refusal. I hope we hear more soon
  
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Re: Mdl 89 rebarrel by Schultz and Larsen
Reply #3 - Apr 10th, 2012 at 10:47pm
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Thanks, Ned, for the reply. A lovely rifle and heavy as it can be. I bought a mint Springfield carbine in 1956 and have loved banging some rounds through it, So, have to say, going to a good range next week and just have to fire this thing first. A great cartridge in my opinion, so will be giving some feedback on what it does. How bout second refusal? I gotta shoot this thing first...cheers..Eric
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:39am
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Well I have been informed that it was the Dane rolling blocks  in their original cal. (11mm/.45cal) that were used by the Inuit hunters not converted Krags. Sorry for the misinformation!
  
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Re: Mdl 89 rebarrel by Schultz and Larsen
Reply #5 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 5:46pm
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No problem, Ned. Appreciate your efforts. The bull barrel is the size of a quarter, less the outer rim of the coin. Is it usual not to have any markings on the rebarrel except for the name and the caliber? Thanks..Eric
  
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Re: Mdl 89 rebarrel by Schultz and Larsen
Reply #6 - Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:15pm
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Eric,

I have a Dane sniper in the original 8x58R.  They were originally made in this caliber and 6.5X58R.  I will do some more research, but I believe that the 45-70 would be an after market change.  Everything else I can see from your photos looks correct, though.  The front sight looks right.  I will have to take a closer look at the rear sight on mine to be sure if yours is original military or not.
It is normal for the barrel to only be marked with the caliber and Otterup.
Let me know if I can be of any other help.  I love these Danes and have quite a few of them.

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Re: Mdl 89 rebarrel by Schultz and Larsen
Reply #7 - Apr 13th, 2012 at 12:53am
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Hi, Tom, thanks for the reply. I really think it was an after market by Schultz and Larsen as the barrel has only their maker mark on the top, the 45..70 on the underside next to the end of the barrel, no other markings, ie: proof, government or anything else. It is really a lovely gun and can't wait to shoot it. My personal feel is that it is an early rebarrel job, and maybe, as Ned said, converted for Greenland for the heavier round. The more I look at it, the better I like it..cheers..Eric
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 13th, 2012 at 12:56am
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Let me know if you would like some addition pics of the sights...thanks..Eric
  
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Re: Mdl 89 rebarrel by Schultz and Larsen
Reply #9 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 8:01pm
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Eric,

I was just looking at my Dane sniper a bit closer.  The barrel on mine is the same diameter as a quarter, maybe very slightly less.  So, yours sounds about the same.  The front sight looks the same.  The rear sight looks generally the same, with just slight variations, like the graduations are a bit different.  Mine starts at 0 and has markings up to 15 (going from top to bottom on the sight) with lines between and then a large gap with 250 toward the bottom of the slide.  My marking line on the left side of the stationary part has a V arrow in the back of it.  The knobs are located the same with just slightly different looking markings.  It looks as though there is a little bit of a notch out of the magazine to make room for the front adjusting knob on yours.  Rather interesting.
My guess, from looking at yours and the markings on the barrel, is that it is the original barrel on a civilian target rifle that someone just bored out and bored the chamber to make it a 45-70.  Probably in the US, since the ammo is much more common than the 8x58R.
Still an interesting gun.  Set us know how the shooting goes.

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Re: Mdl 89 rebarrel by Schultz and Larsen
Reply #10 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:12am
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Tom thanks for all the research that you did and the time spent doing so. I have to say, that I am really falling in love with this weapon and hope to have some targets to show by the end of the month. The only issue that I have on a rebore is that, it, in my mind, should have whatever caliber it originally was, on the barrel in some place or taken off or marked off and this one doesn't, which leads me to believe that Schulltz and Larsen replaced this barrel. The other thing that I have looked at, is in my understanding, when S & L went for the civilian marksmanship market, they converted the rifles to single shot. The rifle is a Copenhagen make but with no markings on the breech, crown etc. On your rear sight, is your sniper rifle the 1925 one? The cutout on mine is very professionally done where the adjustment knob is. My other thought, is that the upper handguard is serialed to the gun with no provision for a rear sight like the carbine, and of course, the long rifle didn't have that wood there for it to be a cutdown. Sorry to ramble on, but this thing is getting to be more of a mystery to me...thanks again...Eric
  
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Re: Mdl 89 rebarrel by Schultz and Larsen
Reply #11 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:28am
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So, I guess what I am asking at this point, did the Danes make a sniper in 1894 without the designation letter as was done with the Mdl 1925? Was this one originally a sniper or what? It is clearly not a cutdown. It is definally a military M89 made at the arsenal in Copenhagen, but why not the crown etc on the breech? Or did Copenhagen make civilian rifles in 1894? As I said, a mystery that intriques me and with most appreciation for the replys given so far....Eric
  
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Re: Mdl 89 rebarrel by Schultz and Larsen
Reply #12 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 6:39pm
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Pardon my ignorance...  but a question has been burning in the back of my mind:  Would the magazine need to be reworked to accept and chamber a 45-70 round?  Or would this be used as a single shot only?  I am just curious...
  
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Re: Mdl 89 rebarrel by Schultz and Larsen
Reply #13 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 11:23pm
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It depends what you consider the magazine. The 45/70 is a straight case and the 8x58R is a bottleneck, so a little work is needed on the side plate. The "feed guide" (my own term) needs to be widened to let the 45/70 round come up in line with the chamber if it is to be used as a repeater.
  
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Re: Mdl 89 rebarrel by Schultz and Larsen
Reply #14 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:53am
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Thanks Ned...  Yes, I was refering to the feed guide.  Knowing that the 8X58R (or the 30-40 for that matter) is a bottle neck case, I thought the feed would need some reworking.
  
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