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May 31st, 2012 at 8:36pm
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I just was given a model 1899 # 282836 from my mother.  I don't know a whole lot about this gun other than it came from my grandpa.  I know that it is not original, but was wondering what i would have to do to get it that way?  I was also wondering what i should insure if for(i will never sell it)?  I think i need the peep portion of the redfield sight. I hope my pictures post. Thank you in advance.
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Reply #1 - May 31st, 2012 at 10:40pm
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jdallagranda:  You have inherited a Model 1899 U.S. Krag Cavalry Carbine that was produced at Springfield Armory in September, 1900.  The 1899 Model was strictly a carbine.  The Redfield sight was 'After-market', but fortunately did not require any holes to be drilled into the Krag receiver.  This Redfield ('No-drill') sight is held on by a special longer side-plate screw.  (The screw in peep is common).  The Redfield #102 sight and its screw are worth around $100.  To restore your carbine, you would need a correct side-plate screw and magazine cut-off.  (These parts were removed to mount the #102 Redfield sight).  It appears the correct Krag sight for your carbine and its hand-guard is the 1896 rear sight.  The 1896 Carbine sight is in great demand and loose ones routinely sell for $400 to $500.  The 1896 Rifle sight looks the same, except for markings, and can be found for around $35.  The biggest problem for restoration is that rubber butt-plate.  It appears the stock butt was shortened to give a flat surface for the rubber pad.  Krag butt-plates are not hard to find but they have a bit of 're-curve' at the toe and the wood stock butt is curved to accommodate this.  For insurance purposes, I would estimate your Krag worth $700.
  
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Reply #2 - May 31st, 2012 at 11:11pm
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Welcome, Jason

I don't think I have ever seen a recoil pad fitted like that before, but maybe if (big IF) the stock has not been shortened, a new butt plate would screw right in place.

Finding an aperture for your Redfield receiver sight should not be a problem.  Most apertures for Redfield, Lyman & Marble, and maybe other makers, are interchangeable.  This should be a less than $10 deal at any gun show. Make sure that the bolt will operate with the replacement aperture in place.  Some apertures have large diameter sight discs that will contact the extractor when the bolt is opened.

Was your Grandpa a woods hunter?  He may have removed the aperture to let in more light.

Some receiver sights for the Krag required the receiver to be drilled & tapped to mount the sight.  Other receiver sights just fastened into the place for the magazine cutoff.  If the receiver has been drilled, the rifle is not technically restorable.  If the receiver sight is fastened via the magazine cutoff, you need to replace the magazine cutoff as a part of the restoration.

I will let someone else tell you about the missing rear sight and the hand guard and 1899 carbines in general.  Someone will advise you to buy Joe Poyer's book, which you should do.  It's the best $20 you can spend on your Krag.

The screw holes for the original rear sight appear to be on the barrel, so it is just a matter of $$ and screwing the replacement sight in place.

Unless the stock has been cut to add the recoil pad or the Redfield sight, and unless the receiver has been drilled & tapped to add the Redfield sight, I think your Krag can be restored. 

But if you did a restoration, it would sort of no longer be your Grandpa's Krag.  It would just be another restored 1899 carbine.
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 1st, 2012 at 2:22am
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Butlerstranger & reincarnated:  Thank you for the great information. I will look for a screw in peep. Reincarnated, you bring up a great point,  I think I will leave this gun the way it is. My grandpa was a "woods hunter" and lived in northern Wisconsin. After talking with my uncle, it sounds like grandpa  had 7 Krags.  What parts should I gather to try to make sure it will fire for years to come?  I plan on taking it to a gunsmith for a checkup before using it.    Thanks again, Jason
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 1st, 2012 at 3:42am
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the model 1896 carbine site is not the one you would need as the handguard you have is for another site either the 1901 or 1902 as the hand guard does not have a hump on it.
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 1st, 2012 at 3:54am
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Jason:  Most gunsmiths probably have a peep aperature to fit your Redfield sight;  it should cost around $10.  Recently someone asked on the forum about spare parts for possible breakages.  The universal response?  No one seemed to recall a part failing!  I would suggest that maybe a spare Striker (firing-pin tip) would be good insurance.  I have seen a couple of broken ones, probably from dry firing on an empty chamber.  You might want to acquire the original parts missing from your Krag Carbine.  Just to have them.  (Magazine-cutoff, side-plate screw, butt plate, and an 1896 Rifle or repro Carbine rear sight).  As 'reincarnated' suggested,  Poyer's "The American Krag Rifle and Carbine" would be a useful acquisition and education for $20.  I'm attaching a photo of a #102 Redfield sight, which I think is the model you have on your Grandfather's Krag.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 1st, 2012 at 4:30am
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Jason:  Top Dean is partially correct.  Your 1899 Carbine does not have the Carbine Hand-guard for the 1896 sight.  You appear to have a Rifle Hand-guard for the 1896 sight.  I think the original sight for a Carbine in the #282xxx range was the 1898 Carbine sight with the 1898 Hand-guard (which was identical for rifles and carbines).  You can view photos of the various Krag sights and hand-guards by  'clicking' on KCA Website at the top of the forum page.  This will take you to a Main Page and you then select the Tab 'Photos'.
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 1st, 2012 at 4:12pm
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butlersrangers wrote on Jun 1st, 2012 at 4:30am:
Jason:  Top Dean is partially correct.  Your 1899 Carbine does not have the Carbine Hand-guard for the 1896 sight.  You appear to have a Rifle Hand-guard for the 1896 sight.  I think the original sight for a Carbine in the #282xxx range was the 1898 Carbine sight with the 1898 Hand-guard (which was identical for rifles and carbines).  You can view photos of the various Krag sights and hand-guards by  'clicking' on KCA Website at the top of the forum page.  This will take you to a Main Page and you then select the Tab 'Photos'.


The hand-guard that is on this gun is cracked down the center.  I added a picture of this.  I also put an arrow where I think you are telling me there should be a bump.  I think I will look to replace it with a 1898 hand-guard.  I also found The American Krag Rifle and Carbine online, and will order it soon.  I believe the picture of the Redfield sight is the same on my gun.  Are all cut-off levers the same, or do i need to get one from the same model?  Thanks again for the fast response.  Have a good weekend.  Jason
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 1st, 2012 at 5:13pm
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Yes that is where it should be at go to this site ssfirearms.com and thay have differnt sites and hand guards. what I would do if I were you and want to keep the gun like your Grandfater had it I would order the handguard without the site cutout and take your screws out and put them away for a later time and just use the non site grove handguard. will make for a very nice looking gun and help stop burning your fingers on the hot barrel. Hope this will help you out and they have all of the different sites for your rifle.
  
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Reply #9 - Jun 1st, 2012 at 8:45pm
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Jason:  It is likely that the hand-guard on your carbine is not the one it left Springfield Armory with.  To add to the confusion, lots of Krags were updated with later (and sometimes earlier 1896) types of sights with appropriate hand-guards.  The 1898 Carbine sight is relatively rare, odd with three sighting notches, and was usually replaced because it was graduated for a 'hotter' Krag cartridge that was 're-called' because it was causing cracked bolt locking-lugs.  Your 1896 hand-guard can probably be repaired.  Decent replicas can be obtained from S&S Firearms, Glendale, N.Y. and from Schwartz in Ga. (mentioned in this forum's 'classified' section).  A caution on hand-guards -- Do Not snap the springs over the barrel.  To remove or install - remove rear sight & sight screws - rotate hand-guard 180 degrees - slide off or onto barrel!  Store hand-guard on a piece of wood rod to prevent spring tension from cracking it.  Also, barrel band has a "U" on one side;  the "U" should be on the right side (band-spring side) of your Krag.  The correct cut-off for your Krag is the last version with a short shaft and spring-loaded detent pin.  Take your time, do some research, and shop around before you commit to expensive parts.  Carbine sights cost a lot and are often faked.
  
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