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oderr KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 5 Joined: Jun 2^nd, 2012	1895 Carbine Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 1:58am	Print Post
	I recently purchased a 1895 Krag with a serial number 27791. Is there a way to tell if this serial number is a carbine? Also, it has a slide on the left hand side but no ring. Did the 1895 carbine come with a ring and is there a good website to find pictures of the 1895 carbine? Thank you.


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Top Dean KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 299 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Apr 22^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: 1895 Carbine Reply #1 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:33am	Print Post
	This is one of the best web sites there is for the Krag. There are pictures posted on the Home page of the different Carbines.by your serial number yours was assembeled in May of 1896, and by your serial number your Carbine should be a Model 1896 not a 1895. some pictures of you weapon would help. and you would also need to measure your barrel by inserting a cleaning rod down the barrel with the bolt closed. Mark the rod where the end of the barrel is and it should be 22 inches. Like yours my Carbine also has the plate on the site but not Saddle ring Bar or Ring. I am not sure if this was done at a Depo or what as Mine is the only one that I have seen like this.


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98src KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 160 Location: sevierville,tn Joined: Jul 3^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: 1895 Carbine Reply #2 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 11:14am	Print Post
	Although your serial number is not listed in SRS data, it is very likely a carbine since the number is well within a known group of M1896 Carbines. Good pictures of the Model year marking would help.


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oderr KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 5 Joined: Jun 2^nd, 2012	Re: 1895 Carbine Reply #3 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 2:44am	Print Post
	I measured the inside of the barrel with the bolt closed and I get a measurement of 21.5". The receiver is definitely marked 1895 and it has a bar with no saddle ring. Thanks


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: 1895 Carbine Reply #4 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 4:22pm	Print Post
	The item under discussion is often called the "1895 Variant" of the Model 1896 Carbine. The initial production run of the Krag was about 24500 Model 1892 Rifles. Nearly all are marked "1894". The first carbines, and a very few rifles, and probably the elusive 400 Cadet Rifles, are marked "1895". The "1894"/"1895" marking change, at around 24000, is not tidy, and overlaps have been reported. The marking was changed to "1896" at around 32000. Both rifles and carbines are found with this marking, which is the least common of the datings. The stamp did not change to "Model 1896" until around 37100. The arms themselves were apparently called Model 1896s before the marking was actually applied. The 21.5" barrel measurement, if accurate, is disturbing, and indicates some sort of cutting off from the normal 22". Pictures of the gun would help.


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oderr KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 5 Joined: Jun 2^nd, 2012	Re: 1895 Carbine Reply #5 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 2:29am	Print Post
	Thank you for the information. I will have to take some pictures.


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oderr KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 5 Joined: Jun 2^nd, 2012	Re: 1895 Carbine Reply #6 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 11:05pm	Print Post
	Attached are some photos of the 1895 Carbine. Please let me know if more would be helpful. Thank you.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: 1895 Carbine Reply #7 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 11:48pm	Print Post
	oderr:� I think you might have a carbine barrel that was shortened at the breech end, re-chambered, and then screwed into your action.� The front sight looks correct, but your barrel is too short.� Your rear sight (although an incorrect 1892 rifle sight) should not have that large gap between it and the sight guard barrel-band.� You appear to have an 1896 Carbine Stock & hand-guard.� It would be interesting to see a photo without the hand-guard.� This would show how the barrel taper matches up with the barrel channel in the stock and the front of the receiver ring.


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: 1895 Carbine Reply #8 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 12:52am	Print Post
	I've seen some strange things, but I must say that I've never seen that before!! B/R's answer is spot on.


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Century2 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Collector! Posts: 130 Joined: Feb 25^th, 2009	Re: 1895 Carbine Reply #9 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 12:11pm	Print Post
	Is it still chambered for the 30-40 cartridge?

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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: 1895 Carbine Reply #10 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 8:17pm	Print Post
	Good question, Century.� I was wondering that too.


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oderr KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 5 Joined: Jun 2^nd, 2012	Re: 1895 Carbine Reply #11 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 10:03pm	Print Post
	Thank you for all the info. I will have to check that out.


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Top Dean KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 299 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Apr 22^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: 1895 Carbine Reply #12 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 9:16pm	Print Post
	You have stated that the barrel is only 21.5 inches well it looks like from the picturea and the data we have that for some reason the barrel was shortend from the breach as the sight seems to be back 1/2 of a inch. how far from the muzzel is the front of the rear site with that measurement and then measure fromt the front of the reat sight to where the bolt face is when closed this may help answer a few questions and raise a few more.


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reincarnated KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 562 Joined: Mar 11^th, 2012	Re: 1895 Carbine Reply #13 - Jun 7^th, 2012 at 12:02am	Print Post
	Could it have been converted into a 30-30?


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: 1895 Carbine Reply #14 - Jun 7^th, 2012 at 1:13am	Print Post
	I was wondering about 303... The head and rim size is similary to the 30-40, which would fit to the bolt. I just don't understand why anyone would rechamber. Doesn't the 30-30 have a smaller diameter rim?


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