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Ryan KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6 Location: Southern California Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Hello, what can you tell me? Jul 2^nd, 2012 at 8:11pm	Print Post
	Hello, first post here on the site, I don't know much about my Krag but I was hoping you guys could shed some light on what I have. Obviously its a Carbine model that much i could figure out, has an engraved stock as well, is that common? Also I seem to have a rear sight that seems different, I cant seem to remove the bolt with it on, not sure how to remove the sight itself maybe you guys could help. Thanks! Pics up soon.


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Ryan KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6 Location: Southern California Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Hello, what can you tell me? Reply #1 - Jul 2^nd, 2012 at 8:11pm	Print Post
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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Hello, what can you tell me? Reply #2 - Jul 2^nd, 2012 at 8:34pm	Print Post
	Ryan:� Looks like you have a Krag infantry rifle that was 'Sporterized' by shortening the barrel, adding a pistol grip, filling the rear-sight opening in the hand-guard, checkering the wood extensively, and adding a commercial #57 Lyman 'Peep-sight'.� Your Krag's value would be based on its utility to a Hunter/Shooter ($275-$350 - IMHO).� It would be interesting to see a photo of the muzzle area and front sight.� Your Lyman sight has a button you push to 'quick release' the slide from its base.� You should then be able to dismount the bolt.� The custom work was not done by the arsenal.� ��


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Hello, what can you tell me? Reply #3 - Jul 2^nd, 2012 at 9:04pm	Print Post
	Ryan:� #476059?� Wow!� That's an incredibly high Model 1898 Krag serial number and probably produced in 1904.� That circle marking above the initials HH looks like the Springfield "crossed cannon" marking found on Ordnance Manuals.� Any chance your Krag is a .22 caliber?


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Hello, what can you tell me? Reply #4 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 1:25am	Print Post
	Ordnance seal on your stock.� I haven't seen that before on a Krag.


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Ryan KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6 Location: Southern California Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Hello, what can you tell me? Reply #5 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 2:22am	Print Post
	Hmm well thanks for the info! it's not a .22 and when I get home I will take some more pictures including the barrel and muzzle. Ordnance thing seems interesting. Anything else I should take see pictures of? I remember there was also a number on the stock as well.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Hello, what can you tell me? Reply #6 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 3:33am	Print Post
	Ryan:� The "knob' of your bolt's cocking piece is blurry in your pictures.� It appears a little odd.� Like there may be a small steel square fitted into a dovetail.� Lyman use to make a cocking-piece 'peep' sight that fit into a dovetail machined into the cocking-piece.� A clearer picture of the rear of the bolt would help.� Your serial # is close to the range of numbers used on .22 gallery rifles, hence my question about caliber.� Do you know if your rifle is in .30-40 Caliber?� Mallory (The Krag Rifle Story) reported #476045 as the highest serial number in the last lot of 1898 Rifles, manufactured in January 1904.� Your action is 14 digits higher.� There are some interesting questions here!� Maybe your receiver was unused surplus until completed into a hunting rifle by a gunsmith?� It would be interesting to see some pictures of your barrel and front-sight


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Hello, what can you tell me? Reply #7 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 4:02am	Print Post
	Ryan: If your bolt cocking-piece has a filled dovetail, it once carried an after-market Lyman 'peep' like this.


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Ryan KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6 Location: Southern California Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Hello, what can you tell me? Reply #8 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 4:05am	Print Post
	It is 100% a 30-40. I have fired it at least 30 times, last I fired it was Sunday. I will include more close up pictures of the bolt with my next set of pictures.


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Hello, what can you tell me? Reply #9 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 4:14am	Print Post
	IIRC, the highest observed number is just under 490000. The .22s all seem to be around the 476-477xxx range. I own standard 1898 rifle 482440, which was probably one of the left-over receivers used for replacement/repair. It's in very nice condition, but stock is dated 1902, so it isn't "as made".


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Ryan KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6 Location: Southern California Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Hello, what can you tell me? Reply #10 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 4:37am	Print Post
	Alright, not exactly sure what you meant by "filled dovetail" sorry.. I'm learning all these terms as I go. Here are some more pictures. (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* to view media files and links)


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Hello, what can you tell me? Reply #11 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 10:20pm	Print Post
	Ryan:� Your bolt cocking-piece has been machined across the rear of the knob.� This machined dovetail now appears filled by a little square of steel.� This dovetail is not 'arsenal'.� It was probably done by Lyman or a gunsmith to hold a cocking-piece peep sight (later removed and filled). Also, your bolt handle has been slightly bent to give it a pleasant curve.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Hello, what can you tell me? Reply #12 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 10:33pm	Print Post
	Ryan:� If you ever tried a cocking-piece sight, it flies forward and kills follow-through.� Not hard to understand why someone ground it off and put on a conventional peep sight.


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Ryan KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6 Location: Southern California Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Hello, what can you tell me? Reply #13 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 5:25pm	Print Post
	thank you all for the information! This gun has been in my family for several generations, my family will find the facts about it very exciting. thank you again! - Ryan


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Plain Old Dave KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Collector! Posts: 24 Joined: Dec 31^st, 2006	Re: Hello, what can you tell me? Reply #14 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 6:01pm	Print Post
	This is a fine example of a vintage sporterized Krag. Krag sporters like this one introduced American riflemen to bolt action rifles, and you might get more info at the Double Gun Forum. There are a few people there that are virtual encyclopedias of vintage sporting arms, military and civilian. Thought: The Ordinance stamp. Might this one be one that was sold off by the DCM?

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