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Re: More Krag Accessories & approximate prices
Reply #15 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 12:57pm
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Lots of Dealers and Collectors are practical.  They improve and upgrade their collection and cull their lesser examples by sale or trade.  This is a boon to other collectors.  I begrudge no one making a reasonable profit using their knowledge and power of observation.  It is not that easy, nor is it cheap, to find a lot of Krag accessories.  I hope every Krag enthusiast has lots of days where they find a sought after item at a great price.  Reproductions and reprints are made because there is a demand that can't be met (or within the means of many collectors).  I started this thread (topic) because many newer Krag Collectors may not be aware of some of the items that complement their Krag(s) and add to the Story.
  
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Re: More Krag Accessories & approximate prices
Reply #16 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 3:09pm
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Personally, I always wanted the cartridge belts.  I have now been accumulating stuff for more than 50 years but I don't think I have ever seen an original that was not pretty ratty.  I bought a couple of reproduction Mills belts from S&S.  That itch has been scratched, but I am still pondering buckles.  Any Illinois National Guard buckles around?

Marginally OT, but I too have been considering a new gun room.  When I was a kid, gun rooms had guns on the wall.  Some were worthy of discussion and others were "wall hangers", hence the term.  But now we lock our guns away.  What does one put on the wall of the new gun room?  I was going to go for books, but that would make it the new library.
  
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Re: More Krag Accessories & approximate prices
Reply #17 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 4:58pm
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Yes, the Gun Room was a thing of pride, conversation and wonder in the 1950s and 1960s.  Some notable Restaurants displayed the owner's collection for the delight of the patrons.  Andy Palmer's Military Inn in Dearborn, Michigan, comes to mind.  Andy use to appear regularly on TV ("Sage Brush Shorty Show") in costume appropriate for the Historic Firearm he would show and explain to the kid audience.  I was a kid and loved it!  When I was involved in Civil War and Bicentennial groups, I would routinely be invited to appear in Uniform with Weapons to to explain and teach elementary, junior high, and high school students aspects of our Military History.  The students loved it!  Now the only safe thing to put on your walls is photographs and graphics.  You have to be mighty careful with whom you share your interests and hobbies.  Anything of value or potentially lethal has to be out of sight and locked up. 
  
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Reply #18 - Jul 28th, 2012 at 1:24am
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Dick Hosmer wrote on Jul 27th, 2012 at 5:44am:
Not going to happen, or at least so I was told - he plans to panel one wall of the finished gun room in manuals, checkerboard-style, under some sort of clear plastic protection.


Not "gun room."  Yes, those are wall paper panels.  With the other manuals (other years of those sets and other sets) it'll be quite pretty.  It'll also be publicly viewable.

No, I don't sell.  Not a dealer.

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As much as I admire and respect him, and laud his prodigious research efforts, we are diametrically opposed on that issue, which I tend to see as unrestrained greed, though he now seems to be drawing a line (even publicizing same) at what he will pay, which I do not believe was always the case.


Wow, you seem to know my motivations more than I do!  Which, if you think about it, can't really be the case....

Question for you Dick.  How many trapdoors do you have?  More than 1?  Quite greedy then?  Queue a discussion about how they're all different.  How many printings of the 1882 trapdoor manual?  "Three."  I suspect I'm the first one to know that in quite some time.  How many printings of the Krag?  Yes, I do know.  How do I know?

So it started out as identifying some information specific to the manuals.  Information which you're not aware of.  After I completed that exercise the tile idea hit me so I'll go with it.  Is the musket organ at SA unbridled greed?

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There are a number of collectors who are doing without, so that he can have (what I feel to be) more than one person needs.

You don't get to determine need.

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He will tell you - and fairly so - that it is his money, and they just need to look harder. Joe does not suffer laziness, or lack of initiative! I cannot argue with that - I just wouldn't follow the same path.


"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" didn't work well in spite of Karl's assertion.
  
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Reply #19 - Jul 28th, 2012 at 1:38am
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Second post due to character count limitation.  A little philosophy....

Dick, you have more than 1 trapdoor carbine.  One is enough for anyone so you should give the rest away to the needy.  I didn't say "sell," I said give.  They need them.

We know they don't.  Of the items in my collection, and it is rather extensive, not a single one is necessary.  None of those tools, guns, manuals, etc.  In fact, without the collector market, they're rather worthless.  They're strictly luxuries.  So I cannot be "depriving the needy" as there is no "need" for those items.  Short of selling them to collectors wanting them, and then giving the money I get away to the truly needy, there is no way I'm impacting "need."  People need food, water, heat, etc.  This stuff isn't useful in any real fashion.  It's completely "needless."

So, no, you don't determine need on this stuff as there isn't any.  It's all want and desire.  Given that, I have X amount of money for my luxuries.  I can spend it on cruises, sports cars, a fancy house, or, and this is the case, my collection.  How many of each item I decide to have and what those items are is really my choice.  It's my money and my time.

I am not, and it's patently obvious, harming anyone's need.  If I used that money to drive up the cost of food or housing I would be. 

I'll buy what I want in the quantities I want.  I don't "need" any of it.  My needs are actually quite small overall and my fundage for luxuries is quite good.  Which beats the alternative.

If you're really concerned about "need" go ahead and sell your collection.  All of it.  Then donate the proceeds to a soup kitchen.  They have a need.

Myself I'll spend my money however I wish.  If I'm particularly good at finding the stuff that interests me - great.  Which I am so that's good.



  
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Reply #20 - Jul 28th, 2012 at 1:59am
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The last bit....

Firstly, the collection started about 10 years ago.  More precisely September of 2003. 

Three sets of books, on my schedule, and then the end game:
1)  The most useful set.  The research material. 
2)  Krags.  Sadly the set I'm least interested in but will churn it out anyway.
3)  The detail set.  All of it.  Ambitious?  Why not.

Skipping the Krag set, the first set is the research source.  That is then leveraged in that last set.  Cover a bewildering array of US militaria.  Uniforms, guns, gear, etc.  This will be serialized for likely the rest of my life.  This is the collection.

While I'm doing that last set I'm going to be retired.  Except I won't be.  I'm going to open a themed restaurant.  With a museum.  In the museum will be the collection.  The hall leading there?  Wallpapered.  DRMs.

I'll likely lose my backside on the restaurant.  Which, frankly, doesn't bother me one iota.  What then?

I die.  The dead are notorious for not caring.  Perhaps my kids cash in.  Perhaps it burns to the ground.  Doesn't matter.  It's not necessary stuff so it's simply amusement. 

The research is extensive and something of a chore but that's ok because my time, like my money, is mine to spend.  If I decide to spend it on drudge research - it's my life. 

I'm comfortable with it all.  And frankly, outside of the wife, that is the decision tree.

Restaurant.  Grand opening in 2018.  Ted will get a place.  Along with his analogs.  The wallpaper will be colorful.
  
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Re: More Krag Accessories & approximate prices
Reply #21 - Jul 28th, 2012 at 2:20pm
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Read, somewhat understood, mostly agreed with.

Sorry for the "gunroom" red herring, I do now recall the restaurant plan.  Smiley

As to my trapdoor holdings, I cannot say there are zero exact duplicates, but they are very few, and (with the exception of the early 1873 Carbines) will be the first to go, when I thin down, which will begin soon - in fact, I've already put the first one in the store (with little interest, I might add, but it's the wrong venue to begin with - did it just to test the water and to see how I felt about it).
  
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Re: More Krag Accessories & approximate prices
Reply #22 - Jul 28th, 2012 at 3:27pm
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Dick, 

I may still be interested in an 1873 Carbine and an 1873 Rifle, as we have discussed before.  It will depend on the timing and on the availability of funds and price. 
  
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Re: More Krag Accessories & approximate prices
Reply #23 - Jul 28th, 2012 at 3:41pm
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butlersrangers wrote on Jul 27th, 2012 at 4:58pm:
Now the only safe thing to put on your walls is photographs and graphics.  You have to be mighty careful with whom you share your interests and hobbies.  Anything of value or potentially lethal has to be out of sight and locked up. 


As you know my Father, you probably have seen the Trapdoors hanging on the mantle.  I grew up with those trapdoors hanging on the mantle, and never once questioned their existance.  My brother and I always knew that dad had guns in the basement, and even knew where the key was... but never touched without permission!  How sad that the world has become a place where we DO now have to hide these things, and never speak of them.  Outside of collectors (which I hope to be one day), most people ostracize those who do not lock away firearms for fear that it will be used by a child.  If we educate rather than hide... maybe the world - outside of collectors will know about our military history!

Paul
  
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Re: More Krag Accessories & approximate prices
Reply #24 - Feb 2nd, 2013 at 9:43pm
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Here is old discussion of various Krag accessories with DeChristopher link.
  
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Reply #25 - Mar 9th, 2013 at 1:44am
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DeChristopher has original 1898 sight blade for $35 (item k-74).
  
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