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My "new" 1898 Shooter
Jun 5th, 2013 at 1:56pm
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Back in February, I picked up a 1903 vintage (1898) Krag Rifle for a very reasonable price.  The bore proved to be too rough and the rifle is an indifferent performer.   In my pile of projects, I had a 1902 production (1898) Krag Rifle that had the stock shortened, but retained a full length barrel with a nice bore.  I could not resist temptation any longer and put the good stock on the good metal.  I took it out to the Range yesterday for some initial testing at 50 yards.  I loaded up some 185 gr. Lapua, 165 gr. Speer, and 168 gr. Sierra Match Kings over 36 grains of IMR-4895 and had promising results.  In future loadings, I plan on trying 180 gr. round nose bullets and IMR-4350.  (I am contemplating maybe putting a Criterion barrel on the 1903 vintage Krag someday and restoring the cut-down stock).
  
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Reply #1 - Jun 5th, 2013 at 1:59pm
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I need to move to 100 yards where the big boys shoot!
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 5th, 2013 at 2:02pm
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Promising initial results and 'fun and a pleasure' to shoot!
  
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Re: My "new" 1898 Shooter
Reply #3 - Jun 5th, 2013 at 2:30pm
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Nice looking rifle and some promising groups!

Is the bore of your 1903 vintage Krag pitted or is it worn oversized? 
  

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Reply #4 - Jun 5th, 2013 at 2:54pm
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gunboat57:  The 1903 vintage Krag barrel I gave up on is heavily pitted.  I have had rough barrels on old military guns that still shot well.  What I really dislike is that you can never get them clean.  I'm sure there is a jacketed or cast bullet load that will perform in that rough barrel.  But, I'm having more fun and less work with a good bore!
  
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Re: My "new" 1898 Shooter
Reply #5 - Jun 6th, 2013 at 12:33am
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CE Harris in his famous article on cast loads for military rifles offered the following advice for the Lyman 311291:

"The same 16 grain charge of #2400 is universal for all calibers as a starting load. It is mild and
accurate in any larger military case from a 30-40 Krag or .303 British up through a 30-06 or 7.9x57,
with standard weight bullets of suitable diameter for the caliber. This is my recommendation for
anybody trying cast bullets loads for the first time in a military rifle without prior load development.
I say this because #2400 is not "position sensitive", requires no fiber fillers to ensure uniform
ignition, and actually groups better when you stripper-clip load the rifle and bang them off, rather
than tipping the muzzle up to position the powder charge.
Similar ballistics can be obtained with other powders in any case from 7.62x39 to 30-06 size. If you
don't have Hercules #2400, you can freely substitute 17 grains of IMR or H4227, 18 grains of 4198,
21 grains of Reloder 7, 24 grains of IMR 3031, or 25.5 grains of 4895 for comparable results."

Which is a good place to start.

I have had very good (for me) results (2.5" groups with Lyman peep sights at 100 yds) with the Lyman 311284 (210 gr) and 28.8 grs of H4198.

With jacketed, I also like heavy bullets in the Krag, and have found good results with 43 grs of H4350 and the 200 gr Hot Core SP, which will make a superb black bear round.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 6th, 2013 at 2:17am
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RPRNY, do you size your cast bullets? Are they a thousandth or two over your groove diameter?
  

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Re: My "new" 1898 Shooter
Reply #7 - Jun 6th, 2013 at 3:06am
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butlersrangers wrote on Jun 5th, 2013 at 1:56pm:
Back in February, I picked up a 1903 vintage (1898) Krag Rifle for a very reasonable price.  The bore proved to be too rough and the rifle is an indifferent performer.   In my pile of projects, I had a 1902 production (1898) Krag Rifle that had the stock shortened, but retained a full length barrel with a nice bore.  I could not resist temptation any longer and put the good stock on the good metal.  I took it out to the Range yesterday for some initial testing at 50 yards.  I loaded up some 185 gr. Lapua, 165 gr. Speer, and 168 gr. Sierra Match Kings over 36 grains of IMR-4895 and had promising results.  In future loadings, I plan on trying 180 gr. round nose bullets and IMR-4350.  (I am contemplating maybe putting a Criterion barrel on the 1903 vintage Krag someday and restoring the cut-down stock).


Was that the rifle you brought to the range a couple weeks ago when we were shooting together?
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 6th, 2013 at 3:53am
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Yes, Paul.
  
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Re: My "new" 1898 Shooter
Reply #9 - Jun 6th, 2013 at 7:05pm
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gunboat57 wrote on Jun 6th, 2013 at 2:17am:
RPRNY, do you size your cast bullets? Are they a thousandth or two over your groove diameter?


My sporter has a true .308 bore / .311 groove aftermarket barrel. I like the Lyman 311284 gas checked and sized .310 (driving bands) .  Next step is to move to paper jackets. I will probably size to .311 for that. I do not have experience shooting paper patched bullets in 30 cal, so it will be a new learning curve.

If you ever have have a few hours to kill, you may want to go after that old barrel with a bag of patches and a jar of JB Compound. If you can smooth the pitting and lap out the bore a little, it may be shootable with paper jackets if you can get a slightly larger nosed (bore sized) cast bullet. But if the pitting is too deep it may be unrecoverable.
  
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