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Re: Bob's feed problem
Reply #15 - Feb 12th, 2014 at 4:45pm
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U.S. Model 1896 and Model 1898 Krag actions differ from each other.  Most of their component parts, although similar in appearance, differ and are not intended to interchange.  A Krag, accepted into U.S. service, functioned correctly when it left Springfield.  IMHO, Beachbumbob's Model 1896 Krag probably has some 1898 parts (side-plate and possibly follower & arm) 'contaminating it'.  I'd start the 'problem solving' by replacing the buggered up side-plate with a known 1896 plate.  Detailed pictures of his follower, in relation to side wall opening, and of magazine gate, would help identify whether parts are correct.
  (Attached photo shows some detail of 1898 action.  Cut-off tip is visible at upper right corner of receiver wall opening.  This is the position that allows cartridges to feed.  Follower is 1898 type).
  
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Re: Bob's feed problem
Reply #16 - Feb 12th, 2014 at 7:21pm
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No need for an apology, Dick.  We've been all over the map in this thread.  It was suggested that I disassemble and clean the cut off.  And judging by the amount of force necessary to move it, it is certainly not a bad suggestion.  It takes an enormous effort to move it.  I don't doubt that there is some crud involved in it somewhere.  I know it's not supposed to move when the wind blows, but it should be a move easier than it does now.

And for your confusion with terms, that's probably my fault.  Sometimes I use remove and disassemble interchangeably. 

I am also sure that the side-plate is part of the problem; hopefully the entire problem.  I just hope this isn't going to be one of those fix this and now that doesn't work well evolutions.

I've only owned Krags for the last year or so with the exception of one I had for a month or so when I was a teen.  I am getting into the unknown here with this Model 96 since I've not disassembled the 98s I have any further than was necessary to ensure they were safe to shoot.  They came to me working as advertised.

  
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Re: Bob's feed problem
Reply #17 - Feb 12th, 2014 at 9:27pm
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I had occasion to dismantly my 1896 today to take handguard measurements,and took the opportunity to pull the side plate and take images.  Here they are.  Hope they contribute to the resolution to the problem.
  
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Re: Bob's feed problem
Reply #18 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 2:34am
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I think it's more likely to be the carrier/follower assembly.  I have put a 98 assembly in one of my 92/96s trying to improve feeding of HPBT match bullets and it took a bit of tweaking to get it away from binding on the top of the magazine.  In the end, I went back to the original assembly before Camp Perry.   I might have to mess with the 98 assembly again if I want to get some flat nosed 220gr cast bullets to feed.  Cheesy
  
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Re: Bob's feed problem
Reply #19 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 5:09am
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Well I wasn't feeling good today and since it was Friday before a 3 day weekend, shut the office down early.  I did feel well enough to work on the Krag inside and managed to remove the cutoff and clean it out.  Also determined that there was some amount of dried crud on the ejector and cleaned that off. 

It's a good news/bad news thing.  It will now feed the rounds 1-4 reliably but won't push #5 up to where it will feed.  And it is consistent with that every time.  I'm sure that the proper side-plate should go a long way to solving that.

Here's a photo.  Maybe someone will see something in it that will help.  For what it's worth, it will feed both Round Nose and Spitzers equally well.

  
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Re: Bob's feed problem
Reply #20 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 5:17am
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Here's a different angle.  Couldn't figure out multiple attachments and it's late and I'm still not feeling perky.
  
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Re: Bob's feed problem
Reply #21 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 5:28am
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Could just be your spring - too weak to pop the last one up?
  
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Re: Bob's feed problem
Reply #22 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 7:32am
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There has been some mention of whether or not I've got the right follower.  Here are 3 shots of mine.  I hope this will help those more knowledgeable than me.

As always Thanks!
  
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Re: Bob's feed problem
Reply #23 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 4:01pm
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Bob, here are a couple pics of what my follower looks like after the last round has fed.  Does your follower look like mine, especially how far it has moved to the left side of the rifle?

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Another question.  Your cutoff lever allows cartridges to feed when in the down position.  Anything keeping the lever from going fully down?  Possibly hitting the wood of the stock? 
  

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Re: Bob's feed problem
Reply #24 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 5:40pm
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Looks to be the right carrier/follower assembly bob, the 98 assembly had more of a curl to the carrier, though I did note one I had one must've been an early 98.  The carrier is the forepart of the assembly, the follower the tail part.  At the failing to feed point you've pictured, the "point" of the carrier that juts into the middle of the follower should push that round up onto the top of the follower.  Your rough sideplate, or a weak spring might be the cause of it not doing so.  We're making progress. Wink
  
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Re: Bob's feed problem
Reply #25 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 9:34pm
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Here are some pictures of the follower/carrier when empty.  I'll trust your judgment about if it's close enough to yours. 

And yes, Madsenshooter, we are making progress.  I've gone from a single shot to a 4 shot repeater thanks to everyone's help.  I'm sure the sideplate has something to contribute to the problem.  No internal part of a rifle as rough as that could help the operation of the firearm.
  
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Re: Bob's feed problem
Reply #26 - Feb 16th, 2014 at 12:05am
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The point appears to be sticking out like it should Bob.  It's what lifts the last cartridge up onto the follower and thus into position to feed.  The rim would be the most likely thing to snag on your rough sideplate, try smoothing the sideplate at the rear with some emery cloth, or get another one.  A light coat of oil on the follower's surface might help too.
  
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Re: Bob's feed problem
Reply #27 - Feb 16th, 2014 at 5:35pm
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I was going to say smoothing out the side plate would help.  If getting the correct plate is out of the question, then I would take some emery cloth as Madsenshooter said, and smooth out those ridges.  Then oil everything up really good!
  
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Re: Bob's feed problem
Reply #28 - Feb 16th, 2014 at 6:19pm
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Can you observe ANY difference in the appearance/location/orientation of the last round when in feed position, as opposed to any of the preceding cartridges in exactly the same place? Is the last round any more/less subject to wiggling with a finger? Is it more/less "loose" than any other? Some difference should be expected, as it is "held" differently than any other.

Perhaps a couple of carefully posed pictures? Speaking of which - some of the foregoing while very clear, do exhibit some pretty serious distortion - might be better to back the camera off a bit and then crop/enlarge the image.
  
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