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gab KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2 Location: Nanaimo, BC Canada Joined: Oct 5^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: 30/40 Krag reloading? Reply #15 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:03am	Print Post
	While I have fired the 42.5 grain IMR 4350 loads a number of times, I think I will pull the remaining loads and start over. I do not want to damage my old Krag, nor risk personal injury.


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Luke KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 5 Location: Alaska Joined: Jan 5^th, 2016	Re: 30/40 Krag reloading? Reply #16 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 8:10pm	Print Post
	In using any 220 gr. Round Nose, does anyone have feedback on bullet expansion in game hunting ? I've read elsewhere that most 220 gr. need 30-06 vel. to expand well on game. Thanks


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: 30/40 Krag reloading? Reply #17 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 10:45pm	Print Post
	Luke wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 8:10pm: In using any 220 gr. Round Nose, does anyone have feedback on bullet expansion in game hunting ? I've read elsewhere that most 220 gr. need 30-06 vel. to expand well on game. Thanks I whole heartedly disagree. Hunters have been taking record game with Krags using standard velocities and 220 grain RN bullets for almost a hundred years! Remember, with a heavy bullet like the 220 gr RN, the bullet has enough mass to penetrate and expand well at lower velocities. Just think about the damage the 500 grain mini-ball caused at 1200 FPS out of a civil war musket... astonishing!!! Nope, the 220 grain RN should serve you quite well at standard Krag pressures and velocities!


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Culpeper KCA Forum Member Offline Posts: 904 Location: Right Coast of Africa Joined: Mar 30^th, 2005	Re: 30/40 Krag reloading? Reply #18 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:01am	Print Post
	Luke wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 8:10pm: In using any 220 gr. Round Nose, does anyone have feedback on bullet expansion in game hunting ? I've read elsewhere that most 220 gr. need 30-06 vel. to expand well on game. Thanks Welcome to the forum! Of course, Shot placement is everything. A mushroomed bullet shot in a non-fatal wound results in an animal that runs off and laughs at you. Good reading: (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* to view media files and links)

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Luke KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 5 Location: Alaska Joined: Jan 5^th, 2016	Re: 30/40 Krag reloading? Reply #19 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 11:05pm	Print Post
	Thank You Gentlemen for your feedback. I've always preferred 220gr. RN in my 30-06, and I think the 30-40 will do as well, but at much closer range. My hangout is Admiralty Island.


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madsenshooter KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 1079 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2009	Re: 30/40 Krag reloading? Reply #20 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 4:02am	Print Post
	Considering the size of the critters one might run into there, I'd carry mine loaded with 220s also. Most reliable feeding, if by chance you needed another one or two.


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Preston KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 27 Location: Kansas Joined: Jan 14^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: 30/40 Krag reloading? Reply #21 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 8:02pm	Print Post
	reincarnated wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 12:10am: GAB!!! That 42.5 grain load will crack your bolt lug! I'm glad I decided to read some of these posts regarding 30-40 reloads. I loaded some Hornady 220 rn with 43gr IMR4350 last night. Sounds like I should pull those and reload with 40gr. I'm a total amateur at reloading. I was using the Lyman 50th edition as a guide. They list 40gr as a start load and 45gr as max. I was curious because the Hornady guide listed for most powders max loads under the start load Lyman listed. Really confusing for me! I didn't look at the Hornady until I was finished. (Not the best time to check other reference material)

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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: 30/40 Krag reloading? Reply #22 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 9:14pm	Print Post
	I would look at the Lyman guide with care. Some loads listed are great, and some border on dangerous. I recall the case of someone who destroyed a rifle recently and cited the load from the Lyman manual. Upon checking, they Lyman 49th did list the load he used, and further checking of Hornady and Sierra data placed his load at beyond dangerous levels. In short, either the Lyman manual had a serious typo, or the data was just flat bad! The Hornady 9th and 10th editions are my bible! FWIW, a good load for the Krag using 220 gr bullets and 4350 is right at 40.0 grains. There really is no reason to go any higher!


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Preston KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 27 Location: Kansas Joined: Jan 14^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: 30/40 Krag reloading? Reply #23 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 9:27pm	Print Post
	I will go with 40 gr. I'm going to note in my Lyman guide to not use the data for 30-40 Krag. What a bad deal! I loaded about 50 rounds with several loads of IMR 4064, 4895, and 4350. I used the Lyman guide so I probably over loaded all of them. Next purchase, bullet puller for the press. I'm not going to use a kinetic bullet puller for all of those! Thank you for your advice! I'll be sure to reference the Hornady manual going forward.

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FredC KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 759 Location: Dewees, Texas Joined: May 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: 30/40 Krag reloading? Reply #24 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 10:21pm	Print Post
	Please note this is a question! Could it be the what would be a dangerous load in the Lyman manual is actually for a strong rifle like a #3 Ruger? If so there should be a note saying not to use the load in a Krag. When I used to load for my son's 45/70, most manuals had 3 levels of loading, one for trap door Spingfields, one for lever actions and one for strong bolt actions. My sons 45/70 is a small framed NEF single shot so NEF said we could use the lever action loads. Loading for a 45 colt is similar, old revolvers with Ruger and Freedom Arms in a different class.


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madsenshooter KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 1079 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2009	Re: 30/40 Krag reloading? Reply #25 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 1:19am	Print Post
	Good point Fred. I got one of those little One Book/One Caliber manuals for the 30-40. It has Lyman data that goes up to 45gr of IMR4350 with the 220. However, in the introduction, it states that the loads are for use in the Ruger single shot only! There is also two sets of Hodgdon data. For the Krag with a 220gr and H4350 it goes up to 42gr. Then there's a section titled 30-40 Heavy Loads for Modern Rifles which tops out at 45gr for the same bullet/powder.


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Preston KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 27 Location: Kansas Joined: Jan 14^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: 30/40 Krag reloading? Reply #26 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 3:22am	Print Post
	The Lyman 50th Edition manual talks about how the MAP (max average pressure) of 40,000 CUP is what SAAMI has established for this cartridge. It gives the history of the cartridge and discusses the Krag as an elderly military rifle, but it never gives any warning to not use these loads in the Krag. It mentions you may encounter the 30-40 in the Winchester Model 1885, Model 95, and the Ruger Number 3.

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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: 30/40 Krag reloading? Reply #27 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 2:30pm	Print Post
	Homework and prudence are definitely key! We all know what happened when the military tried to squeeze an extra couple thousand FPS out of the Krag! Much better to be safe than sorry... and 1950 - 2000 FPS is plenty fast enough to take game and score tens with a Krag shooting a 220 grain bullet! My Lyman 49th shows considerably higher loads than I would ever be comfortable with for 30-40, and has no mention of whether it's for a Win 95, Ruger #1 or #3, or the High-Wall. Now I have consulted the Lyman with regards to loads for cast, but I also take them with a grain of salt, and bounce the data against other sources!


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Preston KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 27 Location: Kansas Joined: Jan 14^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: 30/40 Krag reloading? Reply #28 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:40am	Print Post
	I had the Krag out this past weekend with my hand loads made with your formula of 40gr IMR4350 with a 220gr Hornady RN bullet. They worked great! Shot point of aim and I was ringing the 8"x18" steel plate at 300 yards!

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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: 30/40 Krag reloading? Reply #29 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 11:20am	Print Post
	Sounds like you found your magic load! Now... load up 40 or so rounds, and prepare to muster at Camp Perry for the Roosevelt Match soldier!!!


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