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Krag 1896 Carbines W/O the word MODEL on Reciever (Read 18888 times)

Victor Seven KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 3 Joined: Apr 5^th, 2016	Krag 1896 Carbines W/O the word MODEL on Reciever Apr 6^th, 2016 at 1:36pm	Print Post
	To All, I am collecting a list, by serial number, of Early Model 1896 carbines W/O the Model before the year date on the receiver. Example: 1895 or 1896 Springfield Armory 123456. ALL REPLIES WILL BE CONFIDENTIAL AS TO SOURCE! I believe the number of survivors so marked is less than thought. I fully intend to share my findings with anyone interested. Lastly, although I rejoined the KCA yesterday, I am proud to be a founding member this great group.


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Krag 1896 Carbines W/O the word MODEL on Reciever Reply #1 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 2:23pm	Print Post
	Answered directly via email.


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Culpeper KCA Forum Member Offline Posts: 904 Location: Right Coast of Africa Joined: Mar 30^th, 2005	Re: Krag 1896 Carbines W/O the word MODEL on Reciever Reply #2 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:34pm	Print Post
	How many do you have in your list already?

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Victor Seven KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 3 Joined: Apr 5^th, 2016	Re: Krag 1896 Carbines W/O the word MODEL on Reciever Reply #3 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 2:21pm	Print Post
	I'm still picking the low hanging fruit from the SRS books, Mallory's book, etc. So I don't even have a ballpark number, but it will be at least a couple of hundred I'm guessing. After all I just started. Do you have any??


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RichWIS KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 56 Location: Corbin KY Joined: Jan 9^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Krag 1896 Carbines W/O the word MODEL on Reciever Reply #4 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 2:31pm	Print Post
	Have a sporter 1894 but probably started as a rifle. Barrel is currently 20 inches so not sure. Serial is 9727, stock is off a rifle and cut down to full length, pistol grip spliced in and a higher comb added.


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Krag 1896 Carbines W/O the word MODEL on Reciever Reply #5 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:38pm	Print Post
	RichWIS wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 2:31pm: Have a sporter 1894 but probably started as a rifle. Barrel is currently 20 inches so not sure. Serial is 9727, stock is off a rifle and cut down to full length, pistol grip spliced in and a higher comb added. ALL 1894-dated arms started as rifles, except for a handful around the 11,000 range used in sight testing, and the two full-stock ed ones - both of which are accounted for. All of the "1894 Carbines", sort of a staple on Gunbroker, have so far, been bogus.


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Victor Seven KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 3 Joined: Apr 5^th, 2016	Re: Krag 1896 Carbines W/O the word MODEL on Reciever Reply #6 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 6:27pm	Print Post
	To All, I currently have a list of 203 Model 1896 carbines that do not have the word Model in front of the date 1896 on the receiver. The lowest reported serial number on a receiver marked 1896 is 30352 and the highest reported serial number on a receiver marked 1895 is 30647; so the overlap of 295 provides a fairly large margin for error. That said Model 1896 carbines with receivers without the word Model in front of the date 1896 are pretty scarce. Again anyone with such a carbine is respectfully requested to forward the serial number to me, and hopefully over time we can get a pretty accurate number and survival rate of these arms.


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Ned Butts KCA Forum Admin KCA Official Member Offline Krag enthusiast! Posts: 525 Location: western catskills NY Joined: Apr 1^st, 2002 Gender:	Re: Krag 1896 Carbines W/O the word MODEL on Reciever Reply #7 - May 8^th, 2016 at 1:10pm	Print Post
	A bump to keep this current and moved to the firearms section.


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Krag 1896 Carbines W/O the word MODEL on Reciever Reply #8 - May 8^th, 2016 at 6:12pm	Print Post
	"1895": 24685, 24893 "1896": 32683 At one time. 24685 was the lowest production carbine known. It may have lost that title, but if so, not by much. I sold it some years back. Still have the other two - 24893 has the super-rare (per the late Bill Mook) earliest version stock with but two cleaning rod holes.


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Ackbenny KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 1 Joined: Jun 19^th, 2016	Re: Krag 1896 Carbines W/O the word MODEL on Reciever Reply #9 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 3:32am	Print Post
	Any info or knowledge you can offer about this gun would be greatly appreciated. From what I can tell, there are some discrepancies with the rear sight and stock compared with others that I have seen.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Krag 1896 Carbines W/O the word MODEL on Reciever Reply #10 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 1:34pm	Print Post
	'Ackbenny' - Welcome to the KCA Forum. It appears your '1895 dated' Krag, #28230, is a model 1896 carbine that was updated to the 'model 1899 carbine configuration' in the early 1900s - ('Long forearm' replacement stock and 'humped hand-guard', 1899 carbine barrel-band, and 1901 carbine rear-sight). Such legitimate carbines do exist, but, are not as desired as the model 1896 configuration. (Your front blade looks home-made from a penny, but, the sight base and barrel crown appear correct). Neat carbine! Thanks for sharing.


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HeyJoe KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 43 Location: Roanoke VA Joined: Aug 29^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: Krag 1896 Carbines W/O the word MODEL on Reciever Reply #11 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 1:40am	Print Post
	Here is 30791. Hope it fills in your data base


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spooby504 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 10 Location: Greenville, SC Joined: Nov 27^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: Krag 1896 Carbines W/O the word MODEL on Reciever Reply #12 - Nov 27^th, 2017 at 7:24pm	Print Post
	This being my first post, I will submit the s/n off of the 1896 carbine i purchased for a bargain this last weekend. 1896 30982 I will have to post some photos later this evening.


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Whig KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 1324 Location: Balt MD Joined: Sep 24^th, 2016 Gender:	Re: Krag 1896 Carbines W/O the word MODEL on Reciever Reply #13 - Dec 14^th, 2017 at 1:56am	Print Post
	Add mine to your list. Krag Carbine 1896 SN: 31583


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Krag 1896 Carbines W/O the word MODEL on Reciever Reply #14 - Dec 14^th, 2017 at 2:29pm	Print Post
	The scarcest "standard" Krag receiver marking is 1896 without model, with about 7,000 arms so stamped. Highest known is 37045, a rifle. I've always wondered about the 1895/1896 overlap at the low end of the range, and whether it was truly factual.


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