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Apr 26th, 2016 at 10:31am
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Howdy all,

I recently came into possession of a new rifle (not a Krag, a K31), along with a large amount of brass which is Berdan primed.  In the interest of reloading what I have (until I can secure a lot of Boxer primed 7.5x55 Swiss brass), I've decided to reload the Berdan primed brass.  I've already de-capped a large number if it and found that it's not too difficult.  The problem I have is finding Berdan Primers.

So the question is:  Where can I get Berdan standard rifle primers???  No dice on Graf and Sons, Cheaper than Dirt, or Midway.
  
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Reply #1 - Apr 26th, 2016 at 5:18pm
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I suggest you purchase three cases if you can afford it and if he has them.

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Reply #2 - Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:03pm
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Ok, I went ahead and purchased the 500 count Berdan primers.  I would have purchased all 2000, but that was just too much for me to spend right now!  500 will supply me for a couple seasons, and maybe by then, I'll have some good Boxer brass.
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 1:18am
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Bore & groove diameters?  What about bullets?  My experience is that loading with our usual match bullets (168 grain Sierras) requires extreme attention to seating depth and cartridge OAL.  Maybe 150 grain bullets will function better.

First-hand experience says that it is far too easy to jam an overly long loaded cartridge into the chamber and have everything non-functional.  Embarrassed Make up some dummy rounds.
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 3:31am
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These guys are the answer.

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Reply #5 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 3:35am
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psteinmayer wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:03pm:
Ok, I went ahead and purchased the 500 count Berdan primers.  I would have purchased all 2000, but that was just too much for me to spend right now!  500 will supply me for a couple seasons, and maybe by then, I'll have some good Boxer brass.



That is why you should buy reloading stuff you don't need because you might need it some day.  I bought a case of the Tula berdan primers for 7.5x55 ammo two years before I bought the K31s.  You never know when you might have a need for something or can make a buck off of it.

  

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Reply #6 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 4:55am
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Thanks to the excellent instructions published by M.Chandler at (You need to Login to view media files and links) , I finally found a practical method of converting .217" Berdan brass to take .210" Boxer primers. The tools I used are an RCBS primer pocket swager, a good loading press, a drill, a spare shellholder, and a ball bearing about 1/2 inch in diameter. The process is simple and quick, requiring under two minutes per case once everything is set up. It works very well for me. Once I'd made up a dozen cases, I loaded and fired 150-grain bullets with charges of WC852 from 43 to 55 grains, then reloaded and fired one case 7 times with the stiff 55-grain load. There were no gas leaks at all and the primer pocket was just about as snug after 7 load/fire cycles as it was immediately after conversion.

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Reply #7 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 11:18am
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Thanks very much Para.  As usual, you are right on top of things! 

I actually converted a bunch of 10.4 mm Italian Ordnance brass once a few years ago, but I didn't use the ball (the primer pockets were a hair larger and just supported the Boxer primer, which I glued each in with primer sealant). 

I think initially, I'll use the Berdan primers for enough rounds to support a couple matches, and then work on converting the remaining brass.  I also saw a method which required swaging in a piece of copper tubing in the primer pocket... but I just don't trust that method.  I think your method is the best long term option!
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 2:18pm
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I looked at the Chandler procedure, quite interesting.
I thought of one improvement to using the tool makers vice for swaging the primer hole. If you were to lay the ball in the primer pocket of an old case holder installed in your reloading press. If the ball does not sit centered in the recess for the primer you might have to grind some of the top off.  A modified decapper in an oversize shell forming die (45/70 maybe) would provide the pressure inside the case. With the reloading press the swaging would be easier, faster, and more uniform.
I checked putting a .45 inch ball on a shell holder and it looks like it would work a smaller 3/8 or 10mm ball would fit more shell holders. If I was doing it I would still use an old one.
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Reply #9 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 4:33pm
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FredC wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 2:18pm:
. . .If you were to lay the ball in the primer pocket of an old case holder installed in your reloading press. . .

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Ball bearing rests on primer hole in shellholder. Grinding a small chamfer at the hole may be needed to keep ball centered (depends on the shellholder). Hey, they're cheap.

A word of caution: some brass is considerably harder than the Swiss cases shown here - hard enough to damage the swager set, shellholder, ram, or even some presses. If you try anything that seems to be taking an uncomfortable amount of force on the press handle, stop there and try using Mr. Chandler's techniques which don't involve a reloading press. Berdan cases are expendable, good tools are not.
  
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Reply #10 - May 29th, 2016 at 1:08pm
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Just to let all know, I secured a small supply of Berdan primers about a month ago... so I reloaded 50 of the GP-11 cases with the Berdan primers.  My load consisted of 168 gr Nosler HPBT match bullets over 40.0 grains of H4895.  I shot these in a CMP match yesterday (only the second time I've shot this rifle), and wound up just short of a medal - 97-3X Slow, 92-1X Rapid, and 70-1X Offhand, for a total 259-5X.  I attribute the low Offhand to my being terribly unsteady.  The bottom line is - even though it is a little more trouble to decap, it's really not a big deal to re-prime, and the rest of the loading process is the same... so for now, I'm going to continue loading these as is.  I am thrilled with the results!!!
  
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Reply #11 - May 29th, 2016 at 1:38pm
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Nice shooting Paul!
  
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Reply #12 - May 29th, 2016 at 8:12pm
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Paul, what was the OAL of your loaded cartridges?  Did you make up dummies?
  
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Reply #13 - May 29th, 2016 at 11:42pm
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Standard OAL for GP-11 is 77.50 mm.  Madsenshooter suggested that I check my OAL because the Nosler 168s have a different profile and ogive than the GP-11 bullets. So I loaded up 5 dummy rounds and used the first to determine the OAL (I'm told that K31 throats do vary some).  Once I had that set, I used the five to make sure that they fed and extracted properly without pulling the bullets, indicating that I'm just at the point of the throat.  Everything was copacetic... so I set my die to that OAL.  I wound up with 75.20 mm (2.960 in).  As it turned out, they were perfect!!!
  
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Reply #14 - May 30th, 2016 at 6:33am
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I used Sierra 168 gr HPs, and they have a different profile than either the Nosler or the GP-11 bullets.  It has been a while, but I think the note with the 7.5 Swiss die box says 2.873.  The loaded cartridges looked strange, with the case mouth almost forward of the cylindrical part of the bullet.
  
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