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Culpeper KCA Forum Member Offline Posts: 904 Location: Right Coast of Africa Joined: Mar 30^th, 2005	Blank brass Jul 15^th, 2016 at 3:31am	Print Post
	I am not making judgements in any direction. What are your opinions of this post on the CMP forum? (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) I have heard stories/rumors about blanks being seconds or inferior but have never found solid evidence good or bad about the subject. I have two ammo cans of krag blanks if this is a doable thing. Maybe I should try my own experiment with it.

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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Blank brass Reply #1 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 3:40am	Print Post
	It has to be old brass. It likely was originally corrosive primed. I believe there was a factual basis about inferior brass being relegated to 'Blanks'. Three strikes you're out. Too risky for me!


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Culpeper KCA Forum Member Offline Posts: 904 Location: Right Coast of Africa Joined: Mar 30^th, 2005	Re: Blank brass Reply #2 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 3:44am	Print Post
	That's what I have always went by in the past. And it slipped my memory about corrosive primers too. I wonder if he had annealed before he once fired them.

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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Blank brass Reply #3 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 4:50am	Print Post
	More hearsay and theory: I do not believe THAT brass (if loaded at Remington/UMC) was corrosively primed. FA stuff from same period, yes. And, if FA assembled the ammo from Rem-UMC cases, then it could well be corrosive. I'm not sure that the commercal makers used reject cases, though I am fairly certain that the military did. I might be inclined to try some out for light plinking loads, saving your good brass for more serious shooting. I'd also be inclined to use any lower, or suspect, quality brass in a Krag, which has a better lock-up than the springy rear-locked 1895. Just my thoughts.


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Blank brass Reply #4 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 10:56am	Print Post
	I have some Rem-UMC cases, but I'm pretty sure they're not from blanks. I no longer use them, and have relegated them to serving as dummy rounds (no primer or powder) from practice and for testing the chargers. That said, with the brass shortages becoming an issue for those of us that load and shoot often, I can see these being a valuable asset... as long as they're safe. But as you all have pointed out... how does one tell if they're truly safe?


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Blank brass Reply #5 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 1:45pm	Print Post
	Fact: Brass gets brittle and 'work-hardened' with age. .30-40 Blanks have not been made for some time. A dollar a case is expensive. IMHO - I would rather improvise and use 'fresh', available and less expensive .303 British brass, reformed to .30-40. It is not perfect, but, a more viable solution.


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Culpeper KCA Forum Member Offline Posts: 904 Location: Right Coast of Africa Joined: Mar 30^th, 2005	Re: Blank brass Reply #6 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 2:47pm	Print Post
	I think I will grab a box and do my own experiment. What could go rong? Split neck? Split case? Ol' Culpeper gets a new metal implant in his skull? Pffft. That would be the least of my worries. I'll get on it in a week or so. Should be interesting.

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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Blank brass Reply #7 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 2:52pm	Print Post
	So... I guess I'll have to use a metal detector to find you at Perry then? Haahaa. Seriously though... Be careful ole friend! Don't want to lose ya yet!


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CigarArsonist KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 4 Joined: Jul 29^th, 2016	Re: Blank brass Reply #8 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 2:50pm	Print Post
	I'm new to Kragig collecting just bought my first rifle this week. And I am finding there is a lot of old brass and blank ammunition available but not modern loaded ammunition for them. Has anybody tried using blank cases to do low-power plinking ammunition?


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reincarnated KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 562 Joined: Mar 11^th, 2012	Re: Blank brass Reply #9 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 3:52pm	Print Post
	The "standards" for reloading back in the days when the Krag was commonly in use; Phil Sharpe's "Complete Guide to Handloading" (1941 edition) and Earl Narramore's "Principles & Practices of Loading Ammunition" both state quite clearly that blank cartridges were made from reject brass and advise against using them. Narramore was a career Army officer and a specialist in ammunition production. He ought to know. Your eyes cannot be replaced.


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RichWIS KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 56 Location: Corbin KY Joined: Jan 9^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Blank brass Reply #10 - Jul 30^th, 2016 at 4:12pm	Print Post
	The references to not using blanks for reloading are particular to USGI 30/06 ammo, not sure if 30/40 was included. Not all was reject, some were made from fired brass returned to the arsenal, but there is no way to determine which is which. Modern blanks (commercial and military) are made from new brass, although whether it goes through annealing like brass to be used for loaded ammo is open to question. Someone on Armslist was selling the 30/40 blanks several years ago, was newly made and unfired.


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