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pastafozol KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 3 Joined: Sep 28^th, 2016	help needed on recent find - 1894 carbine ? Sep 28^th, 2016 at 1:11am	Print Post
	Hi. I'm looking for some assistance to better understand a recent find. My brother and I were cleaning out our fathers garage which contained numerous items he's collected over the past few decades. One of the items discovered is a Springfield Arms 30-40 Krag . I believe the rifle is a carbine since it contains a metal butt on the stock with a compartment. The rifle is stamped 1894 with serial #14384. Also the rifle contains a metal name plate and notches on the barrel. Upon finding it, we remembered that our father used the rifle for deer in the 70's. It appears in good condition. I have photos but can not uploaded them until tomorrow or so. Any insight would be appreciated


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Culpeper KCA Forum Member Offline Posts: 904 Location: Right Coast of Africa Joined: Mar 30^th, 2005	Re: help needed on recent find - 1894 carbine ? Reply #1 - Sep 28^th, 2016 at 1:22am	Print Post
	Welcome to the worlds greatest Krag forum. Pictures will help us tell you whatcha got.

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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: help needed on recent find - 1894 carbine ? Reply #2 - Sep 28^th, 2016 at 3:27am	Print Post
	It is already possible - from the serial number - to tell you that the arm was a Model 1892 rifle (1894 is the earliest date to be found) and if it has a barrel shorter than 30" it has been cut-down. Only two (2) carbines were made for trial and they are both accounted for. So, the only question would be how much remains. Here is a pic of what a Model 1892 rifle looked like as originally made.


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pastafozol KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 3 Joined: Sep 28^th, 2016	Re: help needed on recent find - 1894 carbine ? Reply #3 - Sep 28^th, 2016 at 2:08pm	Print Post
	here are some pics (I can get better ones later). I most interested in the notches on the barrel and the name plate on the stock.


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Culpeper KCA Forum Member Offline Posts: 904 Location: Right Coast of Africa Joined: Mar 30^th, 2005	Re: help needed on recent find - 1894 carbine ? Reply #4 - Sep 28^th, 2016 at 3:28pm	Print Post
	That is a carbine stock. Open the trap and look down the hole and see if there are three drilled holes or two drilled holes. Get a picture of the front and rear sights. The other guys will have more information about your W. S. Kirk gun. Very interesting find you have there.

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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: help needed on recent find - 1894 carbine ? Reply #5 - Sep 29^th, 2016 at 11:01am	Print Post
	With that banded front sight, it's most likely a cutoff rifle barrel. Legitimate carbine stock though. Measure the barrel from the muzzle to the closed bolt face and let us know it's length. The rear sight appears (at least to me) to be a 1902 rifle rear sight. It should be a fun accurate shooter and hunting rifle. Would W.S. Kirk be Stokes Kirk?


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: help needed on recent find - 1894 carbine ? Reply #6 - Sep 29^th, 2016 at 1:39pm	Print Post
	Yes.


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madsenshooter KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 1079 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2009	Re: help needed on recent find - 1894 carbine ? Reply #7 - Sep 29^th, 2016 at 4:33pm	Print Post
	Carbines sold better than full length rifles. Stokes and Bannerman made up and sold a bunch of them. The short 1896 carbine stock might pique someones interest, especially if they had a 96 or 98 carbine that had been put into a longer 99 carbine stock. It should be a decent shooter.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: help needed on recent find - 1894 carbine ? Reply #8 - Sep 29^th, 2016 at 8:43pm	Print Post
	I agree: W. Stokes Kirk 'parts gun' - A cut-down model 1892 rifle put in a model 1896 carbine stock. (p.s. - The 'name plate' was made from the carbine sling/ring plate. The bar has been cut-off and filed smooth).


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: help needed on recent find - 1894 carbine ? Reply #9 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 11:19am	Print Post
	I suspected as much about the bar. I also was pretty sure about W. Stokes Kirk (I think I was having a brain fart, LOL).


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: help needed on recent find - 1894 carbine ? Reply #10 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 1:27pm	Print Post
	'pastafozol' appears to have a model 1899 carbine rear barrel-band, a 1902 rear sight 'top' mounted on a model 1898 rifle base, and a W.S. Stokes 'banded' front-sight. The 'name plate' makes the 'Creator' obvious. Neat 'huntin' Krag! (It would be interesting to see clearer more detailed pictures of the rear-sight. It might be a model 1902 carbine sight, which is relatively rare with only 5,000 made. The 1902 carbine sight has a small "C" on right or left side of base).


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pastafozol KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 3 Joined: Sep 28^th, 2016	Re: help needed on recent find - 1894 carbine ? Reply #11 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 5:37pm	Print Post
	Wow, you guys are good! I appreciate the time and effort put forth towards a newcomer. In I'll take better pics soon. The rifle is at my fathers house which is a good distance away


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Fred G. KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 125 Location: Nebraska Joined: Sep 21^st, 2009 Gender:	Re: help needed on recent find - 1894 carbine ? Reply #12 - Oct 5^th, 2016 at 8:19pm	Print Post
	Neat old Krag!


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: help needed on recent find - 1894 carbine ? Reply #13 - Oct 5^th, 2016 at 9:27pm	Print Post
	Fred, could you please send me your new email address? the ..bshi.. one has been hacked. Thanks.


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