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Re: 600 Yards With the Krag
Reply #15 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:24pm
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Thank you, gentlemen, for the replies. I'll have to see if I can find the Hornady 178's at my LGS. I'm going to try some 220's as well. I have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Thank you again.
I'll keep you all posted. Next match July 29th.
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Re: 600 Yards With the Krag
Reply #16 - Jun 26th, 2017 at 12:43am
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Thank you all for the feedback. Para, thanks for the wind deflection chart--most useful. I picked up some 178 ELD's and IMR4350 yesterday to try at the match next month. As always, I'll keep you posted.
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Re: 600 Yards With the Krag
Reply #17 - Jun 26th, 2017 at 11:11am
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Parashooter wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:13am:
I disagree, Paul. The 168 A-Max has a much higher BC and can be safely driven about 500 fps faster than the 220 RN. Consequently, the wind deflection for the 220 at 600 yards is more than double what we'd get with the 168. Do the calculations and you'll see the difference. (To make matters worse, the 220 RN starting at 2000 fps goes transonic well before 600 yards - not good for stability.)


Now that I've read your reply Para....  I think to myself - "What the heck am I thinking?"  LOL  As usual, you're the voice of reason when some of us go as squirrely as a undersized bullet in a badly worn bore!  But, in truth, I was thinking more in terms of very light bullets (like 110 gr, etc.), but I think your logic still applies.  Sometimes, I gotta take a step back and re-think things!
  
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Re: 600 Yards With the Krag
Reply #18 - Jun 28th, 2017 at 5:43pm
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A few more wind deflections to contemplate. Note the difference between the 220 Sierra MK and the Hornady RN at the same velocity. Google "ballistic lag time" to learn why.
  
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Re: 600 Yards With the Krag
Reply #19 - Jun 29th, 2017 at 4:41pm
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Noting that at 200yds, the difference between the various spitzer bullets is negligible.
  
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Re: 600 Yards With the Krag
Reply #20 - Jul 28th, 2017 at 6:23pm
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Match update;
AGAIN, the Corps has cancelled our match. Seems they'll be working on the fire breaks in the impact area. Damn. I was looking forward to trying a new load.
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Re: 600 Yards With the Krag
Reply #21 - Aug 2nd, 2017 at 6:59am
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Match rescheduled for this coming Sunday, August 6th.
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Re: 600 Yards With the Krag
Reply #22 - Aug 7th, 2017 at 4:08pm
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Shot the 600 yard match yesterday. Used IMR4350 and Hornady 178 gr ELD bullets. Each string of fire had a possible of 200-20. My first string was a 104-1. Second string was a 127-0. It was a slight improvement over the 150 gr bullets and IMR4895 I used last time. I used online load data from the Nosler site. In their testing, IMR4350 was the most accurate powder tested. 42.0 grains was their most accurate load so I went with it. It only has a velocity of 2190 fps. A tad bit slow for 600 yards perhaps? Their max load is 46.0 grs of IMR4350 at a velocity of 2460 fps. Maybe I need to try a higher velocity for the longer range. What say you? We were using standard MR-1 targets. Maybe I'm just expecting too much from the old gal. Every shot however, would have hit a man-sized target.
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Re: 600 Yards With the Krag
Reply #23 - Aug 7th, 2017 at 9:16pm
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A score of 127 means your average shot is a 6. The MR 6-ring is 8 MOA. Check your load benchrest at 100 yards. If it's producing better than 8 MOA there, the problem is your shooting and wind estimation, not the load or rifle.

The 2190 fps load should be adequate to stay supersonic to 600 yards but you should be working up a load that groups well from the bench in your rifle, rather than trusting the "most accurate load" suggestion from Nosler (which was undoubtedly developed with a different bullet and rifle - and may just reflect the load producing the lowest velocity deviation in their testing).

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