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Krag Rear Sight Screw Threads?
Sep 8th, 2017 at 2:05pm
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S&S told me this morning they supply sight screws to the CMP, I assume for when they rebarrel Krags.  Since the CMP uses Criterion barrels and Criterion barrels have 8-32 threads for the rear sight I deduce that the CMP retaps the 8-32 holes to fit the original threads.  Anybody know what the original threads are on the sight screws and where you can buy a tap?
  
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Re: Krag Rear Sight Screw Threads?
Reply #1 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 2:32pm
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The exact pitch and diameter have been mentioned in older threads. I think it was 26 threads per inch. the biggest problem will be duplicating the thread form. The thread form with the large radius on the roots and crests would require a custom grind. if only one or 2 taps are being made at a time it they will cost several hundred dollars to make.
Making custom screws with the standard 8-32 thread and custom heads to resemble original Krag would be an easier solution as long as you do not get them mixed up.
If I made a set for my own rifle it might take 1/2 a day. Making several hundred for someone selling them would be close to $5.00 each. So the amount mentioned in the other thread $6.00 to $8.00 dollars is very reasonable if they are hardened and nicely finished.
  
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Re: Krag Rear Sight Screw Threads?
Reply #2 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 6:55pm
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It would be nice if the KCA site had "Stickies" regarding frequently asked subjects, like Krag screw-threads.

(I feel, I respond to some FAQs too often and leave many members tired of hearing from me).

FWIW - Based on my attempts at measuring and Frankford Arsenal tap and die set (1902) data, provided by '5MadFarmers long ago:

Krag rear-sight mounting screws appear to measure .156"X 30 TPI.

Krag side-plate, middle & stacking swivel screws are .187"X 26 TPI.

The arsenal sets had taps and dies for 'United States Form Special" and "W.& S. Standard", (if someone can explain further).

S&S has reproduction screws that work with original parts. You would be well advised to call them and ask if they have something for Criterion barrel sight hole threads.
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Re: Krag Rear Sight Screw Threads?
Reply #3 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 11:53pm
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BR is correct, I just pulled and measured the front sight screw from my grandfather's original Krag and it does measure .156 diameter and 30 threads per inch more or less. The imperfect dies they used back then produced "drunken" thread pitches.



I think I just attached an image. If so it is that screw on an optical comparator. I measured about .101 inches across 3 threads, should be .1 if the threads were exactly 30tpi.
An 8-32 screw's theoretical OD is .166, because the threads have tiny flats on the peak even the best quality screws will mike a few thousands smaller.
Measuring with thread pitch diameter wires, I got this
8-32 over wires .1875
.156-30 over wires .1865
Even though there is a large difference in ODs the large radius on the crest of the Krag screw means its theoretical OD is larger than measured. I just checked to see if a krag screw would fit in a precision 8-32 hole and the answer is no. The rounded roots get in the way. It would be very bubba to force it, but it would have been amazingly close.

  
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Re: Krag Rear Sight Screw Threads?
Reply #4 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 3:07am
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I tried to find earlier posts on threads.
Archives don't seem to go back that far.

I'm bumping this one - FWIW.

I'm feeling irritated, tonight. A lot of good stuff, past contributions & discussions appear gone.

I think I'll take a break from the KCA for a while.
  
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Re: Krag Rear Sight Screw Threads?
Reply #5 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 4:24pm
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butlersrangers wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 3:07am:
I tried to find earlier posts on threads.
Archives don't seem to go back that far.

I'm bumping this one - FWIW.

I'm feeling irritated, tonight. A lot of good stuff, past contributions & discussions appear gone.

I think I'll take a break from the KCA for a while.

Hello BR, this is not the thread I was thinking but it does have the measurements I took of my dad's Krag sight screw. So it is even better. Thanks!
Hope you get over the irritation soon, otherwise you will be missed greatly.
I tried searching from Yahoo using " Krag collectors association forum  butlersrangers and screw sizes" did not turn up this thread or the target thread.
Using google  and the same type search found this one and a number of others. Those threads are still there just searching with a more powerful means is necessary.
I should have a list of especially useful threads for KCA, I have one with some threads for Practical Machinist. You have been so good at finding them for others, I thought you had total recall or a list. Maybe you and the administrators can start a thread for important references in the "Older Threads" section, that way it will always stay near the top.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 11:01pm
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This was my best effort!?
  
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Re: Krag Rear Sight Screw Threads?
Reply #7 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 12:08pm
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I checked with our web guy and he assures me that nothing has been deleted by us. The web site was compromised once in the early years and some very early posts were lost but this was long ago. I did find that the default setting for replies was 100 so I had it raised to 500 which should help. I also did some searches and found the same posts and a few others depending on specific wording. They are there but some times the wording in the posts affects the search.
Again all post are there to the best of our knowledge
  
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Re: Krag Rear Sight Screw Threads?
Reply #8 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 7:36pm
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My apologies, Ned.

Some of the 'ancient  stuff', I was seeking, is stored in "Older Threads".

'FredC' - Thanks for the clue about using a powerful external search engine to find subjects in past KCA posts.
  
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Re: Krag Rear Sight Screw Threads?
Reply #9 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 9:20pm
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Boy, am I glad you did not go away.
I learned about that using the external engines over at Practical Machinist. The forums are using software that just is not that good for finding internal stuff. Maybe if you know the exact wording and spelling used in the thread. Yahoo and google are not set to look for alternative mechanical terms. I like yahoo's keeping several tabs open better than google, but sometimes google finds more stuff.
  
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