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carbon outlaw KCA Forum Member Offline carbon outlaw Posts: 209 Joined: Jul 4^th, 2014	What is it ??? Nov 15^th, 2017 at 10:40pm	Print Post
	Found this at the local backwoods gun store today 50.00 dollars I was all set to buy it until I took a closer look so what is it it don't appear to be a 30-40 krag ???


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carbon outlaw KCA Forum Member Offline carbon outlaw Posts: 209 Joined: Jul 4^th, 2014	Re: What is it ??? Reply #1 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 12:27am	Print Post
	I used my cell phone to post the pictures so you have to move the gray over to see the hole picture thanks for looking Carbon Outlaw ...


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carbon outlaw KCA Forum Member Offline carbon outlaw Posts: 209 Joined: Jul 4^th, 2014	Re: What is it ??? Reply #2 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 12:31am	Print Post
	this is just another comment it had a really nice barrel some one started to do a nice job to restore ... the barrel almost looks like its stainless steel ....


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FredC KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 759 Location: Dewees, Texas Joined: May 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: What is it ??? Reply #3 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 3:41am	Print Post
	With an changed out barrel it could be chambered for anything. Probably need to do a barrel/chamber cast. The experts will be able to figure out what it started out as. I think both rimmed and bottle neck cartridges were used in Europe. Any guess as to the bore size? If you are adventuresome might be worth $50.00 to find out.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: What is it ??? Reply #4 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 4:36am	Print Post
	'carbon outlaw' - If I understand your question, you are not at all familiar with this Krag variation? The barreled action is from a Danish model 1889 Krag-Jorgensen rifle, that was made in 1911. I can not tell from your photos if the barrel is an altered Danish barrel or some type of re-barrel. The original chambering would be for the rimmed 8mm Danish cartridge. The Danish barrels used a form of rifling similar to Medford Rifling ('Rasmussen Rifling'). IMHO- It is easily worth $50 for parts and conversation. More information can be found in 'photo tab' on KCA pages and in past threads under 'European Krags'. p.s. - It appears part of the 'follower' is missing or altered. This suggests possible alteration to feed a non-standard cartridge.


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carbon outlaw KCA Forum Member Offline carbon outlaw Posts: 209 Joined: Jul 4^th, 2014	Re: What is it ??? Reply #5 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 7:43pm	Print Post
	so I took your suggestion and purchased it .. wow this is a expensive rifle to make I cant be leave the quality work they put into manufacturing this rifle ... every part has a matching serial a number


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carbon outlaw KCA Forum Member Offline carbon outlaw Posts: 209 Joined: Jul 4^th, 2014	Re: What is it ??? Reply #6 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 7:48pm	Print Post
	The refiling is in good shape ... it has a huge bore 11.5 mm or 45 caliber I have no idea what caliber this mite be ... it dose look like its not a original barrel it has no sights or any holes like it ever had any installed any ideas as to the cartridge it takes ??? thanks Carbon Outlaw ....


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: What is it ??? Reply #7 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 8:02pm	Print Post
	You will have to do a chamber cast and you may as well drive a lead slug down the bore. I would start with an empty .45-70 case to see if it fits. The follower has been modified to probably feed a non-original cartridge. Have fun with the new toy. You can always get your money back by 'parting it out'. p.s. The original 8mm barrel would have been covered with a sheet metal jacket.


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carbon outlaw KCA Forum Member Offline carbon outlaw Posts: 209 Joined: Jul 4^th, 2014	Re: What is it ??? Reply #8 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 10:16pm	Print Post
	wow im impressed it is a 45-70 conversion ... I am not going to part it out I think its so unique im going to finish it and keep it around ... thanks for your help ... as you can see its been ground out to except the larger 45-70 round well thanks again you made my day ... Carbon Outlaw ....


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FredC KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 759 Location: Dewees, Texas Joined: May 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: What is it ??? Reply #9 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 11:16pm	Print Post
	Wowsers, a 45/70 Krag, if you can get it to feed reliably you will have close to the ultimate pig gun! It obviously did not get finished. I can see a few things that make one question the skill level of the previous owner. Maybe the things I see were just not finished because the previous owner got old or died too soon. Watch out for Bubba-ish stuff.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: What is it ??? Reply #10 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 11:48pm	Print Post
	I am a bit confused. I did not say it was converted to .45-70. I just suggested that .45-70 would be my first 'suspect'. My second 'suspect' would be the similar 11.7mm Danish Rolling-Block cartridge. In my opinion, it is essential that the dimensions of the chamber and bore, as well as, the quality of any 'alterations' be determined directly by a competent gun person and not based on internet guesses. As FredC cautioned: "Beware of Bubba Work" on that barrel and chamber.


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carbon outlaw KCA Forum Member Offline carbon outlaw Posts: 209 Joined: Jul 4^th, 2014	Re: What is it ??? Reply #11 - Nov 17^th, 2017 at 12:05am	Print Post
	Thank you that is very wise advice ... I have never heard of a krag being converted to a 45-70 ... I have seen one that was converted to a 38-55 for cowboy shooting .. I think I am going to be very careful with this one Thank you very much Carbon Outlaw ...


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Tom Butts KCA Forum Admin KCA Official Member Offline Krag enthusiast! Posts: 347 Location: New York State Joined: Apr 1^st, 2002 Gender:	Re: What is it ??? Reply #12 - Nov 19^th, 2017 at 1:02am	Print Post
	I have seen Danish Krags converted to 45-70 like this one before. They are good shooters.


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Chickenthief KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 10 Location: Denmark Joined: Aug 7^th, 2017	Re: What is it ??? Reply #13 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 4:17pm	Print Post
	A few hundred were converted at the Royal Arsenal in Denmark for KGL (Royal Greenland Trade) in the mid 1950's. They put a new barrel on, chambered for the Danish M1867 Rolling Block rifle in 11,4x51R and fixed sights. (You need to *Login* to view media files and links)


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Chickenthief KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 10 Location: Denmark Joined: Aug 7^th, 2017	Re: What is it ??? Reply #14 - Apr 4^th, 2018 at 5:26pm	Print Post
	As far as i have learned from Danish collectors far less than 50 were ever officially made. What you have is hens teeth!!! Most were destroyed in the bottom of Inuit fishing boats by saltwater and neglect. And i as a Dane would give my right arm for that action I have made a no limit offer for one in Denmark and noone have made contact in the past 6 months!


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