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thos96 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 4 Location: Tennessee Joined: Dec 19^th, 2017 Gender:	Cartridges will not load from magazine Dec 19^th, 2017 at 1:46am	Print Post
	I just got this nice sporterized Krag (s/n 44xxxx). It has a 22 in barrel, Redfield sight, recoil pad. The magazine cutoff was removed to install the sight. I tried to run some cartridges with 185 gr Sierra round nose bullets through it, but the bolt will not close. Any ideas?


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Cartridges will not load from magazine Reply #1 - Dec 19^th, 2017 at 2:04am	Print Post
	Is there part of a separated case stuck in the chamber? Check if a loaded round can be loaded directly into the chamber (bypassing the magazine system). p.s. - Your Krag's cocking-piece knob has been oddly altered.


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madsenshooter KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 1079 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2009	Re: Cartridges will not load from magazine Reply #2 - Dec 19^th, 2017 at 3:17am	Print Post
	Sometimes you need to put a small piece of metal that is shaped like the shaft of a magazine cutoff behind the Redfield sight. A friend of mine had a piece of drill rod of the proper diameter that he shaped and used. The rims manage to snag on the empty slot that is in the upper part of the magazine on some Redfield equipped rifles. BR you have a good pic of where the cutoff shaft fits into the scheme of things?


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Cartridges will not load from magazine Reply #3 - Dec 19^th, 2017 at 2:14pm	Print Post
	The first thing that leapt to mind was a piece of case stuck in the chamber, until I read Madsen's response. Since Thos96 wasn't clear whether it was closing while stripping from the mag well, or closing in the chamber, I'm inclined to agree with Madsenshooter (I never did experience this with my Redfield equipped sporter - some do and some don't). Otherwise... nice looking sporter. Should be a great hunting rifle!


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thos96 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 4 Location: Tennessee Joined: Dec 19^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: Cartridges will not load from magazine Reply #4 - Dec 19^th, 2017 at 3:53pm	Print Post
	The chamber is clear - I can single load a round just fine. The problem is when I try to chamber a round from the magazine. The bolt goes forward a little, then stops. I found that if I pull the bolt back and then push really hard, then the round will feed and chamber. Afterwards, I opened the bolt and looked towards the side plate and I could see a thin line of what looks like brass. I have new Hornady cases - could the rim diameter be too large? Yes, the machined off knob on the bolt makes it hard to disassemble it.


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Parashooter KCA Forum Member Offline Kragmudgeon Posts: 514 Location: Connecticut Joined: Feb 4^th, 2010	Re: Cartridges will not load from magazine Reply #5 - Dec 19^th, 2017 at 5:41pm	Print Post
	madsenshooter wrote on Dec 19^th, 2017 at 3:17am: Sometimes you need to put a small piece of metal that is shaped like the shaft of a magazine cutoff behind the Redfield sight. A friend of mine had a piece of drill rod of the proper diameter that he shaped and used. The rims manage to snag on the empty slot that is in the upper part of the magazine on some Redfield equipped rifles. BR you have a good pic of where the cutoff shaft fits into the scheme of things? Picture below shows where cutoff shaft fits in the slot referenced above. For proper magazine feed, this slot must be filled with a half-round shaft shaped flush with contour of receiver. Any gaps or steps can catch cartridge rims during feed. (You need to *Login* to view media files and links)


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Cartridges will not load from magazine Reply #6 - Dec 19^th, 2017 at 10:37pm	Print Post
	Two pictures showing: 1. The cut-off tip blocking the magazine feed. 2. The cut-off tip allowing the feed of cartridges. As others have stated, if there is nothing in the cut-off slot, it causes a roughness in the feed of cartridges.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Cartridges will not load from magazine Reply #7 - Dec 19^th, 2017 at 10:47pm	Print Post
	The older Redfield instructions advised 'throwing away' the cut-off. In time, it was appreciated that this caused issues with cartridge feed. Rather then ruin an original cut-off lever, a replacement shaft can be made from a suitable size Nail, filed to shape.


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thos96 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 4 Location: Tennessee Joined: Dec 19^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: Cartridges will not load from magazine Reply #8 - Dec 20^th, 2017 at 1:29am	Print Post
	thanks, that's the help I was looking for. I shot a 3/4 in group (4 shots) at an indoor range (25 yds) today. It should shoot well enough for what I want.


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Cartridges will not load from magazine Reply #9 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 12:20pm	Print Post
	Mystery Solved! You should find that your Krag will prove accurate at distances of over 100 yards, which makes it very desirable for hunting! Enjoy!


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Culpeper KCA Forum Member Offline Posts: 904 Location: Right Coast of Africa Joined: Mar 30^th, 2005	Re: Cartridges will not load from magazine Reply #10 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 9:15pm	Print Post
	I think I have one of those redfield sights on one of my Krags. I'll have to check next time I am in the northern West hemisphere.

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thos96 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 4 Location: Tennessee Joined: Dec 19^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: Cartridges will not load from magazine Reply #11 - Dec 27^th, 2017 at 5:43pm	Print Post
	I bought a reproduction cutoff from Numrich and used JB Weld to glue in just the rod end. It feeds just fine now. I guess cartridge rims must catch on the machined recess for the cutoff in the magazine. Thanks!!


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FredC KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 759 Location: Dewees, Texas Joined: May 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Cartridges will not load from magazine Reply #12 - Dec 27^th, 2017 at 10:45pm	Print Post
	thos96 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2017 at 5:43pm: I guess cartridge rims must catch on the machined recess for the cutoff in the magazine. Thanks!! When the rims catch on the machined recess it chews up the brass also. Hope you are planning on reusing the brass, if not save it for a rainy day or pass it. We did go through a rainy couple of years when brass and ammo were almost unobotainum. <-- that is a highly technical term not found in dictionaries otherwise I would have spelled it correctly.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Cartridges will not load from magazine Reply #13 - Dec 27^th, 2017 at 10:46pm	Print Post
	'thos96' - As British 'Horse People' say: "Well done you!"


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