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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	I love this photo! Apr 16^th, 2018 at 5:28pm	Print Post
	I wish I knew more about this photo, saved years ago, on my 'hard-drive'. The men appear to be U.S. Regulars with model 1892 Krag-Jorgensen 'magazine rifles', with clearing-rods. Date, location, and unit are unknown to me. I am sure it could be any of a number of U.S. Military Posts. Definitely a transitional time in equipment and tactics.


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Culpeper KCA Forum Member Offline Posts: 904 Location: Right Coast of Africa Joined: Mar 30^th, 2005	Re: I love this photo! Reply #1 - Apr 16^th, 2018 at 7:45pm	Print Post
	Any higher resolution? Definitely not Fort Crook,

	Deacon in the Church of the Mighty Krag. Member of People Eating Tasty Animals (PETA). (You need to *Login* to view media files and links)
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olderthansome KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 131 Location: Michigan Joined: Mar 10^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: I love this photo! Reply #2 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 12:47pm	Print Post
	If you can determine the company and regimental number on the haversacks, the details of the post might, at least, be estimated. If the number is the 8th US Infantry, their deployments were - until at least 1886 - in Arizona and west Texas. Since specific posts during that period were by company or companies, the actual post may never be known for sure. Since this date would be 1894 or later (right?) the post might still be somewhere in the southwest, but could be narrowed down if a regimental association exists somewhere.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: I love this photo! Reply #3 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 2:30pm	Print Post
	Unfortunately, bayonets and shadows obstruct the unit markings on the haversacks. (8th Inf. is a possibility, so is 3rd, 6th & 9th) This is the only image of this photo, that I have, and context was never available to me. The row of Officer homes reminds me of Ft. Vancouver, Washington St., but, such homes are generic to many posts.
	« Last Edit: Apr 17^th, 2018 at 5:26pm by butlersrangers »

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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: I love this photo! Reply #4 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 5:31pm	Print Post
	If the number is a "3", the unit could be the 3rd U.S. Infantry at Ft. Snelling (Minn.) in the 1890s.


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Zgun KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 80 Location: Massachusetts Joined: Jan 20^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: I love this photo! Reply #5 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 8:27pm	Print Post
	The last number on the bag is a 9. I was able to photo shop the pic and feel confident it is a nine. Beyond that the numbers/letters before the 9 are not discernible.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: I love this photo! Reply #6 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 9:06pm	Print Post
	I believe the most significant number would be one positioned with the 'crossed-rifles'. That would be the U.S. Infantry regiment's number. On SAW era cap badges, the regiment number is above the 'crossed rifles' and the company letter, below. However, in this photo of stenciled haversacks, I cannot tell if it is a number or letter, below the crossed rifles. (The numbers at the bottom of the bag, below the 'U.S.', may be a rack or I.D. number). Attached unrelated photo shows the layout used on period cap badges.
	« Last Edit: Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 2:23pm by butlersrangers »

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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: I love this photo! Reply #7 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 10:08pm	Print Post
	Maddening .... you can almost read this crap! (Update - I now believe Regiment number is directly below the crossed-rifles and Company letter is above).
	« Last Edit: Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 2:31pm by butlersrangers »

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Local Boy KCA Forum Member KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 462 Location: Mat-Su Valley, Alaska Joined: Sep 24^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: I love this photo! Reply #8 - Apr 18^th, 2018 at 4:35pm	Print Post
	Thanks a lot BR... Spent half a day internet searching for photos and information! Actually I'm having fun and have learned quite a bit about the SpanAm War. Found this information that you might find interesting. The pamphlet is provided by the Combat Studies Institute Press Fort Leavenworth, KS and is titled Gathering at the "Golden Gate: Mobilizing for War in the Philippines, 1898" by Stephen D. Coats (You need to *Login* to view media files and links)


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: I love this photo! Reply #9 - Apr 18^th, 2018 at 6:22pm	Print Post
	'Local Boy' - Interesting content & details about mobilization for the Philippine Campaign. Some of the illustrations and photographs display the survival of drill and tactics used in the Civil War and before. Concentrating men, to 'defend' prominently displayed 'Colors', may have looked good on the Parade Ground, but, was downright 'suicidal' in the new era of smokeless powder and high velocity jacketed projectiles. Being an Alaskan, I am sure you have seen this photo of the 24th Inf. (Co. L), at Dyea, Alaska, in 1899. They relieved the 14th. Infantry at this post. However, the decline of Dyea and a forest fire resulted in Co. L moving over to Skagway.
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Local Boy KCA Forum Member KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 462 Location: Mat-Su Valley, Alaska Joined: Sep 24^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: I love this photo! Reply #10 - Apr 21^st, 2018 at 5:32pm	Print Post
	Thanks for sharing the photos and in formation Chuck! Actually I haven't seen the photo you posted... Bit of history I wasn't aware of. Probably sent to keep the infamous Jefferson Randolph "Soapy" Smith II and his Soap Suds Gang in check. Interesting how segregated military units were a big part of Alaska's history. i.e. Segregated units played a major part toward the construction of the ALCAN highway.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: I love this photo! Reply #11 - Apr 21^st, 2018 at 6:20pm	Print Post
	Here is a 4th of July Parade in Skagway, Alaska, 1899.


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