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Re: Neat Time Capsule
Reply #15 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 3:32am
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'Time-Line' - from various sources, related to the Pacific Gun Sight Company:

1928 - Mr. Walter Joseph Sutton applies for a gun sight patent, #1809257, on May 7, 1928.

1931 - Instruction sheet and sight box, mailed June 4, 1931, marked Pacific Gun Sight Co., 682 Twenty-Fourth Ave., San Francisco, Cal. (a private residence).

1931 - June 9, Sight patent #1,809,257 approved.

1931 - November: American Rifleman article by J.R. Mattern, "The Krag - After 40 Years", reports on Pacific (K-1 & K-2) and Western (Redfield 102K) sights as being recent and new.

1934 - Pacific Gun Sight Company - Catalog No. 8 "Gun Sights - Reloading Tools - Supplies". (Catalog reports that owners are active shooting club members and have been making sights for a number of years, for themselves and other club members).

1936 - Polk Directory, San Francisco: (Walter Joseph Sutton, mech., W.J. Sutton & R.J. Miller Guns, 355 Hayes St.), (Robert J. Miller, Mgr., Robert S. Miller, Sec., Sutton & Miller, residence - 682 24th St.).

1936 - Polk Dir. S.F. - Gunsmith listings: Sutton & Miller, 355 Hayes.

1939 - Polk Dir. S.F. - Pacific Gun Sight Co. (Robert J. and Robert S. Miller) 353 Hayes. (Address is likely a typo. William J. Sutton no longer appears connected to business). 

1948-1949 - Possibly last 'Polk listing' putting Pacific G. S. Co. in San Francisco @ 355 Hayes Street, as well as, Robert J. Miller and Robert S. Miller connected to Pacific G. S. Co. and residing in S.F.

1953 - Gun Digest - last listing of Pacific sights.

1957 - "Guns Magazine" advertisement gives Pacific G. S. Co. address as: 2903 El Comino Real, Palo Alto, Ca. (Likely date of move, between 1949 and 1957).

1962 - "Guns Magazine" advertisement gives Pacific G. S. Co. address as: Box 4495 Dept. G (F), Lincoln, Nebraska. Advertisement totes "Over 30 Years Reloading Tool Leadership". (Hence, before 1962, Pacific Co. had moved out of Cal).

1971 - Hornady Co. acquired Pacific Co., per Hornady Co. history cited by 'Kerz'.
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Re: Neat Time Capsule
Reply #16 - Jul 14th, 2018 at 3:03am
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The Western sight ought to be relatively scarce.  It appears that Western Cartridge objected to Redfield's use of Western (The West ain't big enough for the both of us) in the late 20s.  Redfield had already used it nigh 20yrs.  Interesting info BR
  
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Re: Neat Time Capsule
Reply #17 - Jul 14th, 2018 at 3:57am
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You're correct 'Madsenshooter'. The "Western" name on the Redfield "no-drill" sight models was short lived. It was gone by 1934, if not earlier.

(1928 catalog cover contrasted with 1934 catalog pages)
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Re: Neat Time Capsule
Reply #18 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:04am
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A bit more Pacific Gun Sight Company trivia:

circa 1929 - The Pacific Gun Sight Company published Catalog No. 7. The company address was 424 Balboa Street, S.F., California.
This was the home address of 'Sight Inventor', Walter J. Sutton and his family, during the 1930 U.S. Census.
(I wonder when catalog #1 was issued)?

I just purchased an original 1943 (wartime) catalog for the Pacific Gun Sight Company. It contains a (partial) drawing, showing the facade of the 355 Hayes St. Store/Shop. There is a cool photograph of the salesroom, 'Den', interior.
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Re: Neat Time Capsule
Reply #19 - Jul 26th, 2018 at 2:42pm
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Old 'Gun & Accessory' catalogs are kind of frustrating because they are seldom dated.

Catalog 'numbers' are not too helpful, because it is not easy to determine the frequency at which they were issued.

The content sometimes gives a rough clue: Some sources indicate the Model 52 Winchester got its "speed lock" in 1930.

It is likely Pacific catalog, #7, 'with the latest model' of the 52 Winchester (with speed lock), came out in 1930.

(Catalog #7 uses inventor/machinist - Walter J. Sutton's home address and not the eventual Pacific Company address at 355 Hayes St.).
  
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Re: Neat Time Capsule
Reply #20 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 8:18pm
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I do not know what firm (foundry) made the Pacific press, but the mid-1950s Herter's press is identical.  My single-case ram was for .30-06 head sized cases, but RCBS sold a conversion unit to hold interchangeable shell holders.  Bought a conversion unit in 2007.  Price was $12.50, IIRC.
  
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Re: Neat Time Capsule
Reply #21 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 9:29pm
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IIRC - Herter's had their Presses made in the Ruhr Valley area of W. Germany.
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Re: Neat Time Capsule
Reply #22 - Aug 3rd, 2018 at 6:18am
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So Herter would have simply used the Pacific as a model or pattern?
  
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Re: Neat Time Capsule
Reply #23 - Aug 3rd, 2018 at 6:59am
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Possibly, Pacific let the patent expire or sold the rights. A lot of improvements, like quick-change shell holders, had appeared.

Herter's offered a massive range of gear from good to barely adequate. The attraction was Low Price.

The Herter's presses, I remember, had a massive cast-iron lever to operate the ram. They were Battleships!

I have one set of Herter's Dies. They are chrome-plated and cheap looking, but, work OK.

I have some Herter's marked 6.5X55mm Brass (actually made by Norma, but, stamped and packaged for Herter's).

A lot of Herter's stuff was made in Europe. Their catalog was a Hoot! They undercut everybody.

p.s. Back in the 1950's and 1960's, Reloading Equipment and Dies cost serious money! The relative cost went down in the 1970's. (IMHO - Due to companies like LEE and increased competition).
  
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