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New 1894 Acquisition with Reproduction Stock
Jan 27th, 2019 at 1:07am
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I have just acquired a second 1894 Krag rifle that has me curious. This was bought at an auction and I knew it just looked too good to pass up. Got it for under $1400! The details of this piece are fascinating. All of the parts are original and in great shape for an 1894 unmolested rifle except for two things. The ramrod is new and the stock is a fantastic reproduction, almost exactly, of an original 1894 stock.

I disassembled the rifle and examined everything carefully. And you can see in many of the pictures, there is a nice even patina on the metal consistent with an early 1894 Krag, serial number 1631. Everything is as it should be for an 1894 rifle including all of the serial numbers matching on the receiver, side plate and magazine cover. The bolt, front barrel band, rear sight, hand guard, butt plate, muzzle and extractor are all correct and look like they have been together for a long time. I don’t think that this is a rebuild from a pile of correct parts.

But, someone has fabricated an almost exact copy of a M92 stock that has such perfect lines and tolerances, it looks like it was an arsenal fabrication. It definitely is a retro because it is in like new condition and has no proof mark or cartouche. There are only two very small differences I have found. One is, there is no cross pin through the stock in front of the rear barrel band and second is that there is no metal insert inside the stock that the threaded end of the ramrod screws into. The inside of the stock is even correct by having cut outs for the hand guard clips but no lightening cuts. There is even the nice “Tulip” cut out for the muzzle end of the ramrod and the beveled end in front of the rear barrel band. Someone knew what they were doing. The hand guard is slightly darker and original. It is not new.

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Reply #1 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 1:09am
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So, I am at a loss to explain where this stock came from and how it was mated with this Model 1892 rifle. I have tried to get info from the auction house but they have not responded. I’d like to trace the provenance if I can.

I have also shown the comparison of the reproduction ramrod to my original one from my other M92 Krag. The dimensions are almost exact but there are slight differences in comparison such as the head and threads being different. It has a bright blue finish. Needs about 100 years of patina to match! I have wiped the stock and hand guard down well with linseed oil.

So, if anyone has any ideas about this rifle or has seen a reproduction stock as nice, I’d love to hear about it. I have no idea how to value this rifle but I know it’s a keeper. Also, the bore has no pitting and looks almost unused. Only very slight wear of the lands and grooves. Thanks for any input.

I have a few pages of pictures:

  
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Reply #6 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 6:12am
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That is a very nice reconstruction of an early U. S. Krag!
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 10:00am
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What very nice rifle.  I certainly enjoyed the in-depth look from the pictures.  Hope you can track down some history from previous owner.  So is it possible that the wood was surplus NOS from a period many years ago?
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Re: New 1894 Acquisition with Reproduction Stock
Reply #8 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 10:51am
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I don't think it is but I just am at a loss to understand where it came from and who made it. If the proof mark was on it, It could convincingly be seen as original.

I'm hoping one of the seasoned collectors has some helpful info as to the origin of this kind of reproduction.

I'd also like to know where a value would be for this. I'm sure it's more than the sum of the parts.
  
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Re: New 1894 Acquisition with Reproduction Stock
Reply #9 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 3:23pm
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Whig: I am not an owner of an early Krag, nor do I have access to one, to study firsthand.

I do see the work of a lot of craftsmen, who build very nice traditional muzzleloaders.
If such a builder put his mind to constructing a replica 'early U. S. Krag' and had some good original parts to work with, I am sure a Krag, such as your new one, would be the result.
It is very ethical that no markings were put on the stock.
(FWIW - It appears to me to be a recently made stock).

I think the front-band on your 'new' Krag is skillfully altered. There appears to be a weld or seam, where the 'tube' for the cleaning rod is attached. The inside contour at the 'tube' is a bit off - (sharp cornered instead of rounded).

I do very much like this 'reconstruction' and it is good that you knew it to be so.

  
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Re: New 1894 Acquisition with Reproduction Stock
Reply #10 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 3:45pm
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Thanks for the feedback. I need it on this.

I wasn't real sure about the front band either. It looks newly done but it is a real band and the patina inside was convincing. I don't know. It may be a welded ramrod channel but very well done. I'm thinking, though, since all of the other parts are authentic and from a real 1894 (not ramrod) that they probably would have had the front band to use as well.

Just don't know for sure. But the stock is new. It looks better after layers of soaked-in linseed oil. I love it!
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Re: New 1894 Acquisition with Reproduction Stock
Reply #11 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 8:42pm
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I took the liberty of copying some of your 'new Krag' photos and contrasting them with details of early Krag parts.

Whig's front-band is contrasted with two early bands. It could just be me, but, the arrow points to a possible seam and different contour. The two known original bands seem to have a broad flare where the 'tube' shape meets the band.
  
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Re: New 1894 Acquisition with Reproduction Stock
Reply #12 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 8:57pm
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Whig's forearm tip contrasted with an original early stock tip, (subtle differences):
  
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Re: New 1894 Acquisition with Reproduction Stock
Reply #13 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 9:22pm
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It may seem I am trashing Whig's new acquisition. I am not. I am impressed with it and the builder.

IMHO - There is no intention at fakery; this Krag is a highly accurate replica with some wonderful original content!

I am pleased Whig has shared photos of his two early Krags with us!

By the grain, I think Whig's new Stock is either a Claro or a European walnut. It looks lighter in color than American black walnut. It does not have the Logwood stain used by Springfield.

The Finish has been applied even to concealed areas of the Stock, where Springfield didn't bother applying stain or finish.

It seems odd that the 'Stockmaker' used a modern washer at the rear of the action, did not make a stock 'nut' for the cleaning-rod to screw into, or drill for a cross-pin for the rear barrel-band.
  
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Re: New 1894 Acquisition with Reproduction Stock
Reply #14 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 9:30pm
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I had a rod Bayonet 1903 that had been put together with original parts using an original and unused Field Replacement stock on it. The stock had never been used on a rifle. It Did have a band retaining spring, but no bushing for a rear trigger guard screw. Maybe the company armoror was supposed to add these, I don’t know. The stock had no Inspectors or Proof stamps, but it did have three small ones on the wrist by the stock inspector.
What I’m saying is that it’s possible somebody got ahold of an unused, field replacement original 92 stock and used it.
  
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