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new to me Kraig 1894 saddle ring carbine PART TWO
May 23rd, 2019 at 2:59pm
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Hi I got the krag rifle modified to a carbine from the Auction house and on a slow morning took some photos to possibly establish what I have. I measured the barrel with a cleaning rod inserted and it measures 221/8 inches. the bore is not perfect but 90% and I am awaiting Dies to start reloading. Any constructive comments welcome. I could only add 5 photos
  
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Re: new to me Kraig 1894 saddle ring carbine PART TWO
Reply #1 - May 23rd, 2019 at 3:28pm
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Is there a metal spring ahead of the front band?  You have what looks like a 1896 carbine stock.

Can you get a clear pic of the right side of the rear sight?  You may have a 96 carbine sight.

  

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Reply #2 - May 23rd, 2019 at 3:55pm
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Culpeper wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 3:28pm:
You may have a 96 carbine sight.


Nope...  That's an 1892 rear sight Culp!
  
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Reply #3 - May 23rd, 2019 at 3:58pm
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The sight on this rifle looks to be a correct, 1892/1894 Rifle sight.  The hand guard looks to be for an 1896 rifle, but could, as I recall, be used for the 1894 as well.  The presence of the band spring is hopeful for determining the suitability for the rifle, but since there were no 1894 carbines to speak of, the stock is also from an 1896 model, but a carbine, probably.
  
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Re: new to me Kraig 1894 saddle ring carbine PART TWO
Reply #4 - May 24th, 2019 at 1:56am
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meaning no disrespect to other posters but the 1892 rear sight is "correct" only on an 1892 rifle. When the 1892's were modified to 1896 rifles, they were just that, 1896 rifles and they wore 1896 rear sights.
  
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Reply #5 - May 24th, 2019 at 2:54am
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The sight is graduated to 19 & two right side photos of rear sight sorry about definition of photos
  
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Reply #6 - May 24th, 2019 at 3:03am
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A cut down model 92 rifle placed in what might be a relatively rare stock.  The long 99 carbine stock modified to accept the 1896 receiver.  I can't say whether or not the cut for the bolt channel was arsenal done without a closer look.  I have one of the stocks that has been heavily sporterized, but you can tell it was once of these carbine stocks.  It's the orange Italian walnut.
  
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Reply #7 - May 24th, 2019 at 9:04pm
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psteinmayer wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 3:55pm:
Culpeper wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 3:28pm:
You may have a 96 carbine sight.


Nope...  That's an 1892 rear sight Culp!


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Reply #8 - May 26th, 2019 at 3:52pm
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Thank you Gentlemen Now I know what I have a Krag 1892/94 cut down rifle in a 1899 carbine stock with a non original saddle ring fitting. I have the reloading condiments and awaiting some Western Ammo so will see how well it shoots
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Reply #9 - May 26th, 2019 at 5:21pm
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Culpeper wrote on May 24th, 2019 at 9:04pm:
I shouldn't read gun porn at midnight.  Sheesh. Shocked


LOL Culpeper... you shouldn't be reading any porn... gun or otherwise!  You dirty ole bulletslinger!   Cheesy
  
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Reply #10 - May 26th, 2019 at 5:51pm
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If you ever want to take that hand guard off to stabilize that long crack behind the rear sight, you need to be very careful about your technique, as many of us have found out the hard way and have discussed on this forum ad nauseam.

The stock needs to be removed by carefully unscrewing the two trigger guard screws and moving the front barrel band out of the way. Shimmy off the lower stock off of the receiver and put it aside. Unscrew the two rear sight screws, remembering which goes where, and remove the rear sight. Very carefully, slide the hand guard forward on the barrel and turn it upside down as you slide it towards the front of the muzzle. Only when you see it has cleared the thicker part of the barrel can you then take it off and examine it. The metal retaining rings are often so spring loaded tight that the tension in them can, and often does, cause the wooden guard to crack. You would have to see what condition it is in, try to clean it up, remove any old putty, glue or epoxy, if necessary, and then try to glue it or epoxy it with some type of clamping to keep it tight while drying.

I use regular wood glue if it is just cracked. I use a colored wood epoxy filler if it needs filled which can be stained.

It's hard to get it exactly matching but I use a dark cherry stain to match colors. It doesn't have to look perfect just better and be stable. I have an old barrel I slide the hand guard on while it's gluing to keep it positioned correctly to dry in the right position. It's also good to keep a nickel or quarter jammed in the retaining ring when the hand guard is off the barrel to relieve some pressure on them. I use different size nuts that fit.

If you aren't planning on this repair, ignore the above!

Good luck!
  
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Reply #11 - May 30th, 2019 at 8:57pm
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Thank You Whig but after reading your directions I decided to leave it alone unless shooting make it worse. After reading the directions it would seem the spring clips hasten the cracking and being unaware of how to remove destroys it.                     I have 80rnds Western super x 30-40 180 grain s p on its way. I have dies and brass but as yet no bullets so shoot the manufactured stuff first
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Re: new to me Kraig 1894 saddle ring carbine PART TWO
Reply #12 - May 30th, 2019 at 10:46pm
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GHS:

That's just fine to leave the hand guard alone. It's not easy and takes patience to fool with these. The crack is often a lot worse than it looks when you actually take the hand guard off and see that it is in two or three pieces. You are right that you're fighting the strong retaining clips the whole time and that takes some trickery to work with.

The hand guard crack is only cosmetic. The Krag will shoot just fine with the crack or without.

Keep us informed about your success with your shooting!
  
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