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Knute1 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 738 Location: Illinois Joined: Sep 10^th, 2016 Gender:	Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags Reply #15 - Jul 26^th, 2019 at 12:52am	Print Post
	Count me in on some help finding known rifles/carbines.


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Whig KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 1324 Location: Balt MD Joined: Sep 24^th, 2016 Gender:	Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags Reply #16 - Jul 26^th, 2019 at 1:29am	Print Post
	Since I'm a late-comer to this forum, relatively, I don't know what happened between early member(s) and Joe Farmer to cause him to shun this forum. He seems to be one of the most valuable resources available today for many of our areas of interest with Krags. His Krag resource book is fantastic. I have a friendly relationship with him and would not dream of violating that to try to get him back on this forum as an active, contributing member. That would be up to whoever or whatever caused the rift. I imagine he would decline, unfortunately. But, why do we have people like Mr. Farmer who has potentially essential resources he has developed or discovered and we have to re-invent them because of some feud? I'm sure I'll have some generic answer to this but there are probably other newer members and contributors to KCA who have wondered the same thing. Sorry for bringing it up. Just wanted to say it out loud.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags Reply #17 - Jul 26^th, 2019 at 4:59am	Print Post
	In regard to Whig's question, it may have been my posts and there is nothing, I can envision, that would change things.


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Culpeper KCA Forum Member Offline Posts: 904 Location: Right Coast of Africa Joined: Mar 30^th, 2005	Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags Reply #18 - Jul 26^th, 2019 at 10:05am	Print Post
	I guess it would have to be understood by all that this would be a serial number/receiver census. We all know Krags range from pristine full military to Dear Lord What Happened To It. Keeping it simple is the way to go. The line of questioning for me would be this example. I saw a Krag today. It had Model 1898 serial number 127000 on the receiver, 24 inch barrel, and a M1903 front sight. 127000 M1898R 2019 07 26 Cut down rifle or left blank. I saw a Krag today. It had Model 1898 serial number 198000 on the receiver, 22 inch barrel, carbine stock and a M1901 rear carbine sight. 198000 M1898C 2019 07 25 Proper carbine or left blank. Of course we can still post in the forum if there is a question on a particular gun and get opinions on what it is as we always do. Added: I saw a Krag today. It had 1894 serial number 71 on the receiver, cutdown stock. 71 1894R 2019 07 26 Cut down stock no 1896 notch or left blank.

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Whig KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 1324 Location: Balt MD Joined: Sep 24^th, 2016 Gender:	Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags Reply #19 - Jul 26^th, 2019 at 10:30am	Print Post
	You're right...we've all seen the "Dear Lord What Happened To It?!"


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Culpeper KCA Forum Member Offline Posts: 904 Location: Right Coast of Africa Joined: Mar 30^th, 2005	Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags Reply #20 - Jul 26^th, 2019 at 11:11am	Print Post
	I saw a krag today on xxxxxx forum. It had 267829 and Model 1898 on the receiver with full military stock. The post's date in the forum was May 23rd 2008. 267829 M1898R 2008 05 23 xxxxxxx forum That is the last time it was known to exist. .
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cquickel KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Lover Posts: 77 Location: Arkansas Joined: Jan 11^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags Reply #21 - Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 4:10pm	Print Post
	Thank you all for considering my question. I would really like to see this done. Curt Quickel Owner of US Krag Rifle 308

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Culpeper KCA Forum Member Offline Posts: 904 Location: Right Coast of Africa Joined: Mar 30^th, 2005	Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags Reply #22 - Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 5:39pm	Print Post
	Welcome to the Church of the Mighty Krag, brother. How cool is it that you have 308! Way Cool! Deacon Culpeper Chaplain of the KCA Irregulars

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Culpeper KCA Forum Member Offline Posts: 904 Location: Right Coast of Africa Joined: Mar 30^th, 2005	Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags Reply #23 - Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 7:03pm	Print Post
	No current details are noted. It would have to be understood by all that this is a serial number/receiver census. We all know Krags range from pristine full military to Dear Lord What Happened To It. These receivers/serial numbers were last seen... 44 1894R 2014 02 04 71 1894R 2019 08 01 112 1894R 2006 04 10 308 1894R 2019 08 01 419 1894R 2014 02 04 3140 1894R 2008 05 18 25175 1895R 2006 11 20 33279 1896R 2014 02 04 34036 1896R 2004 00 00 34938 1896C 2017 00 00 47944 M1896R 2014 02 04 58041 M1896R 2017 00 00 79396 M1898R 2014 02 04 102585 M1898R 2014 02 04 125062 M1898C 2017 00 00 125699 M1898C 2007 09 10 Mallory 145150 M1898R 1898 00 00 10th Ohio OVI Co. B 145166 M1898R 1898 00 00 10th Ohio OVI Co. I 145168 M1898R 1898 00 00 2nd USV Engr Co. G 145169 M1898R 1898 00 00 2nd USV Engr Co. G 145181 M1898R 1898 00 00 10th Ohio OVI Co. H 145185 M1898R 1898 00 00 10th Ohio OVI Co. H 145200 M1898R 1898 00 00 2nd USV Engr Co. G 145209 M1898R 1899 00 00 1st MD Vol Inf Co. K 145211 M1898R 1898 00 00 10th Ohio Vol Inf. Co. I 145225 M1898R 1899 12 00 26th USV Inf Co. C 179118 M1898R 2017 00 00 213407 M1898R 2017 00 00 280872 M1899C 2017 00 00 289342 M1898R 2014 02 04 305231 M1898R 2017 00 00 309763 M1898R 2014 02 04 323268 M1898C 2005 09 25 351580 M1899C 2017 00 00 355713 M1899C 2014 02 04 363928 M1898R 2014 02 04 386941 M1898R 2014 02 04 426030 M1898R 2017 00 00 440674 M1898R 2017 00 00 479689 M1898R 2014 02 04

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Culpeper KCA Forum Member Offline Posts: 904 Location: Right Coast of Africa Joined: Mar 30^th, 2005	Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags Reply #24 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:11am	Print Post
	206711 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 208449 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 211338 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 211369 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 211711 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 212242 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 212422 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 212444 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 212755 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 212816 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 213306 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 213315 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 213615 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 213843 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 214126 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 214852 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 214881 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 371749 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 372870 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 373362 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 374209 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 376398 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 376997 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 378374 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 378644 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 378700 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 378908 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 379607 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 379608 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228
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Culpeper KCA Forum Member Offline Posts: 904 Location: Right Coast of Africa Joined: Mar 30^th, 2005	Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags Reply #25 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:14am	Print Post
	379670 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 379688 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 379693 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 379722 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 379865 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 379908 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 379992 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 380106 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 380119 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 380122 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 380167 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 380427 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 380448 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 380689 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 380694 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 380734 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 380737 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 380895 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 380906 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 381134 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 381257 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 382059 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 382619 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 382828 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 382876 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 383337 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 435128 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 435351 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 435449 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228 436018 M1898R 1911 02 01 62nd Congress 1st session Vol 5 page 1228
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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags Reply #26 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 12:08pm	Print Post
	Why were these 61 model 1898 rifles listed in the Record of the 62nd Congress? (After posting the above question, I sort of answered my own question). The rifle serial numbers were ones that 'knute1' found, in a publication of records from - The Seal Islands of Alaska. This collection of correspondence and data, spanning 1904 to 1911, was apparently printed and bound for the 62nd Congress to assist treaty legislation related to U.S. Fur Seal Rookeries. This bound collection of reports inventories 60 Krag rifles on St. Paul (37) and St. George (23) Islands in 1911. Apparently, the rifles were sent by the Treasury Department. They were in the custody of W.I. Lembkey, Agent Seal Fisheries - Department of Commerce and Labor. The rifles appear to be for the use of Natives & staff to safe-guard the Fur Seal Rookeries from poachers and ships violating International Seal harvesting agreements. (In 1904, there were 12 Springfield cal. .45 rifles and 18 Magazine rifles cal. .30, received from the Treasury Department). In 1905, 900 cartridges .30 cal. were expended in target practice by Natives to get them familiar with the magazine arm. The Krag numbers in the 1911 list are likely model 1898 rifles. The lowest number is 206711 and the highest is 436488. IMHO - Just listing numbers is of little value. The context is much more interesting and the most valuable part of the story. "62nd Congress, Volume V" is kind of meaningless and confusing as a description. (Kind of like 'Cumberland Guard', when the real story was the destruction of rifles at a U.S. Depot). "Knute1" found a record of 60 Krag rifles in a very interesting context. These rifles don't seem to appear in SRS data, but would have, if Mallory had known about the record. "Knute1" should be credited for finding this obscure 'official record'. Thanks Knute1. That is an interesting collection of information and insights. The inventory of spare parts and Krag accessories is of special interest .
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Mark_Daiute KCA Forum Member KCA Official Member Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 242 Location: Newcastle Maine USA Joined: Jul 11^th, 2003 Gender:	Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags Reply #27 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 12:27pm	Print Post
	Whig wrote on Jul 26^th, 2019 at 1:29am: Since I'm a late-comer to this forum, relatively, I don't know what happened between early member(s) and Joe Farmer to cause him to shun this forum. He seems to be one of the most valuable resources available today for many of our areas of interest with Krags. His Krag resource book is fantastic. I have a friendly relationship with him and would not dream of violating that to try to get him back on this forum as an active, contributing member. That would be up to whoever or whatever caused the rift. I imagine he would decline, unfortunately. But, why do we have people like Mr. Farmer who has potentially essential resources he has developed or discovered and we have to re-invent them because of some feud? I'm sure I'll have some generic answer to this but there are probably other newer members and contributors to KCA who have wondered the same thing. Sorry for bringing it up. Just wanted to say it out loud. Joe still exists as a resource. Buy his book and sign up for his website. He is there to answer questions.


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Knute1 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 738 Location: Illinois Joined: Sep 10^th, 2016 Gender:	Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags Reply #28 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 1:26pm	Print Post
	BR, I had provided a link from my posting about serial numbers. Culpeper has already tabulated the serial numbers from that link. Here is the link. Go to page 1228. : (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) #v=onepage&q=1898%20magazine%20rifle&f=false


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Culpeper KCA Forum Member Offline Posts: 904 Location: Right Coast of Africa Joined: Mar 30^th, 2005	Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags Reply #29 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 2:30pm	Print Post
	butlersrangers wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 12:08pm: Why were these 61 model 1898 rifles listed in the Record of the 62nd Congress? Because I made a mistake in a double entry. There are sixty in the report. The title of the volume is (You need to *Login* to view media files and links)

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