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M1898 Krag carbines
Oct 1st, 2019 at 8:21pm
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Thought it would be nice to start a new topic on the M1898 carbines that Val99 started yesterday as a new member with a nice find of an arsenal variation of an authentic M1898 carbine.

Val99's M1898 carbine is the third variation with the long stock, no carbine swivel and M1901 carbine rear sight. His is SN:122309.

It would be nice to get a count of the number of authentic M1898 carbines of all 3 variations from KCA members and guests. We can see how many of the original 5002 we represent here.

Most of the M1898 carbines are found in the SN range of 115XXX to 135XXX but there are a number of authentic carbines found outside of this range. They need to be evaluated a little more carefully. Mallory lists one M1898 carbine in the SRS with SN:154770.

Dick Hosmer showed his M1898 in a correct short stock and carbine swivel. His is SN:131024.

I had posted pictures of my third variation with a long stock, no carbine swivel and an M1901 carbine rear sight. That one has SN:120864.

Below is my second M1898 Krag carbine in the first original production with the short stock, carbine swivel, M1896 carbine rear sight and M1896 short hand guard. I believe this carbine has been together as an original piece from Springfield Armory. This one has SN:120021. This one is listed in the Springfield Research Service manual as being assigned to CO H 5th USV INF which served in the Philippine Insurrection Battle of Manila in 1899. The bore shows light pitting with good rifling.

  
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Reply #1 - Oct 1st, 2019 at 8:21pm
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More carbine pictures:
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 1st, 2019 at 10:13pm
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(If this is out of place, I will gladly delete this entry).

FWIW - My model 1898 carbine, (#119744), did not survive intact. It was likely updated by Springfield (to 1899 carbine configuration) and later 'Sportered' for a Hunter.

It came to me, from Pennsylvania, in a nice model 1899 carbine stock, with a "circled P" Proof. (I re-purposed that stock to restore a 'worthy' model 1899 carbine).

I was able to maintain some of the carbine appearance by putting the model 1898 metal into a 'sportered' carbine stock. (From which, I cut off an added pistol grip for my sanity)!

The original carbine barrel has a near mint bore, but, it is blemished by an added 'dovetail' which holds a Marble's open-sight. The original front base holds a Marble's blade.

The "Fatal Flaw", to restoration, was the tapped holes in the receiver. The best I could do was re-use the holes by putting on a Weaver side-mount & vintage scope.

Even with its blemishes, it is a very accurate and fun to shoot Krag.

It is what it is.
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Reply #3 - Oct 2nd, 2019 at 1:59am
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None-the-less, it is another M1898 Krag carbine to add to the list. We're working towards 5002!

Nice job with the stock. Looks great. Can you post a shot of the receiver markings? Thanks.

(I like the "It is what it is." How true of many of the Krags we collect!)
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 2nd, 2019 at 11:34am
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Those holes in the receiver just stare back at you like evil eyes! They are so annoying to see on a nice Krag. The scope mount is well used to cover them up though. Hard to imagine there was a time when it wasn't considered sacrosanct to drill into and ruin a beautiful Krag receiver like this. At least they spared the entire serial number.
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 2nd, 2019 at 7:49pm
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I have two M1898 Carbines. One has been upgraded to the M1899 configuration and the other one is still in the M1898 SRC configuration
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 2nd, 2019 at 7:52pm
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Pics of the M1898 SRC
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 2nd, 2019 at 10:06pm
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Thanks for the posting and pics 98src. I see the serial number of the original first variation carbine is SN:134317. Can you give us the serial number of the other one?

I love the nice 1898 cartouche on the short stock of the 134317. Mine only has a remnant cartouche.

So, 2 more to add to the list. Thanks for sharing.
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 1:05am
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Yes...I think it can be seen in this picture.
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 2:14am
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M1898 carbines so far:

122309   Val99
131024   Dick Hosmer
120021   Whig
120864   Whig
119744   Butlersrangers
126417   98src
134317   98src
  
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Reply #10 - Oct 9th, 2019 at 5:56pm
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98 carbines must be a lot scarcer than I thought. Only 7?
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 9th, 2019 at 6:05pm
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Only 5002 made originally. Lots have been lost, destroyed, sporterized beyond recognition or torn apart for pieces. Many fake ones out there advertised all the time as "1898 Krag carbines".

It would be nice to see some more come out of the wood work but this is evidence of why they are so valuable.

So far, we only have 7 listed here!
  
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Re: M1898 Krag carbines
Reply #12 - Oct 9th, 2019 at 9:08pm
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Alright, I'll open up to the group.  Hi, my name is Culpeper and I am a Kragaholic. 

One of you guys check these numbers in Mr. Mallory's (PBOH) book.

25175
34938
125062
125699

I seem to recall having more money than brains and one is in the book but it is back on the other side of the climate, planet, er, world. Angry

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Reply #13 - Oct 9th, 2019 at 9:40pm
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I checked all 4 volumes of Springfield Research Service manuals and didn't find any of these serial numbers listed.

What was it listed for? What is the PBOH book? (I'm probably dense today.)
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 9th, 2019 at 9:47pm
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You have to look in Mr. Mallory's (Peace be on Him) 2nd edition.  I think 699 was the carbine listed.
  

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