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Mar 2nd, 2020 at 11:59pm
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Well... I just registered for this year's National Matches at Camp Perry.  Something interesting to note...  It seems that they may be shooting Springfield, Vintage, Modern Military and the Garand Match all together.  For each of those matches, you can request squadding from Friday afternoon to Sunday afternoon on either Viale or Rodriguez.  I can only assume that they are combining the squadding to allow more flexibility in competitors schedules. 

Anyway,  for anyone interested in shooting with my son and I, we're registered for the following:
* Theodore Roosevelt Commemorative Match (shooting a Krag of course) - Friday July 31st, 7.00 Am on Viale
* National John C Garand Rifle Match - Saturday August 1st AM on Viale
* National Vintage Rifle Match - Saturday August 1st PM on Viale
* National Springfield Rifle Match - Sunday August 2nd AM on Viale

We're also planning on shooting the Vintage Sniper Match on Monday (We've been invited to shoot with some friends for this)

As usual, I'll host a dinner on Thursday evening before the Roosevelt Match at Dock's!  All are invited... even if you're not planning on shooting in the TR Match.

If anyone wants to join us for the matches, please let me know.  I'm counting on YOU Culpeper!!!  I'm hoping a few others come this year too.
  
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Re: Camp Perry 2020
Reply #1 - Mar 4th, 2020 at 4:53am
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Here are the rule books.


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Reply #2 - Mar 4th, 2020 at 11:51am
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Griff557 wrote on Mar 4th, 2020 at 1:20am:
Could you explain the course of fire for the matches? I understand the Roosevelt match is for Krags or 03’s. I’ve shot local JCG matches so I get those. Iam not familiar with the Vintage Military or Springfield Matches

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Garand, Krag, Springfield, Vintage and Modern Military are all shot at 200 yards using the same course of fire.  Thus you will see different rifles on the line together.  Squading will be done on the line.
Read over that link to the rule book and feel free to ask questions.  It can be a bit intimidating but really its pretty laid back.
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Reply #3 - Mar 4th, 2020 at 12:18pm
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Kerz wrote on Mar 4th, 2020 at 11:51am:
Griff557 wrote on Mar 4th, 2020 at 1:20am:
Could you explain the course of fire for the matches? I understand the Roosevelt match is for Krags or 03’s. I’ve shot local JCG matches so I get those. Iam not familiar with the Vintage Military or Springfield Matches

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Garand, Krag, Springfield, Vintage and Modern Military are all shot at 200 yards using the same course of fire.  Thus you will see different rifles on the line together.  Squading will be done on the line.
Read over that link to the rule book and feel free to ask questions.  It can be a bit intimidating but really its pretty laid back.
Vic


Thanks for a bit of explanation-it is a bit confusing. I was looking for a little insight from people that have been there. I enjoy our local matches and am fairly competitive at them but I don’t really have any illusions of competing on that level. I  actually did read the rules before I posted-and fully expected that would be the answer I got. I thought the rules were a bit confusing and don’t understand the process of squading or the Camp Perry experience.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 4th, 2020 at 11:21pm
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Hi Griff,

Squadding is requested when you register, in that you'll enter your prefered squadding (i.e. Saturday AM Viale Range, Sunday PM Rodriguez Range, etc.).  When you show up to the firing line on the day of the match, you'll check in and receive your actual squadding and firing position.  Usually, it's broken up into 4 relays. Usually, relays 1-4 are AM, and 5-8 are PM.  Relays 1 & 2 will shoot first while relays 3 & 4 will go to the pits.  Then, after 1 & 2 shoot, they will go to the pits and 3 & 4 will go to the firing line to shoot.  Then it repeats for the afternoon squadding.  So... when you check in, you'll receive a squadding slip with your firing point and number, such as firing point 72, relay 2.  After you shoot once, it'll all be really easy to understand.  If you show up and shoot with my group, there will be plenty of people to give you a hand!

Now the course of fire...  I shoot local matches and they are slightly different than the CoF at Perry.  Here's how it works at Perry:  You'll get called with equipment to the line, and have just a couple minutes to set up and prepare to shoot.  You don't really have to worry about scopes or scoring because the shooter opposite you (if you shoot 2, then shooter 1) will score you.  You don't score yourself!  You'll get 2 minutes to prep, and this is where you get settled into position and maybe take a few dry-fire shots.  You'll then shoot 5 sighters (in any position) and ten shots for score from the prone position, all in a 15 minute time limit.  Next, you'll get a three minute prep period, and then it's rapid fire - 10 shots in 80 seconds with one reload.  Finally, you'll get 2 minutes to prep, and the final course is ten shots standing in a ten minute time limit.  It feels pretty rushed, but remember, it's rushed for everyone... and it really is a lot of fun!!!
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 4th, 2020 at 11:29pm
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Oh, I forgot to mention...  The Roosevelt Match has just one squadding, which is Friday morning (the 31st) on the Viale Range.

I DO hope you join us Griff.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 6th, 2020 at 12:56am
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psteinmayer wrote on Mar 4th, 2020 at 11:29pm:
Oh, I forgot to mention...  The Roosevelt Match has just one squadding, which is Friday morning (the 31st) on the Viale Range.

I DO hope you join us Griff. 


Thanks for some of the clarification and offer to join you. I would love to give it a whirl but at this point I don’t know that Iam ready for that kind of competition
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 6th, 2020 at 2:40am
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Holy crap!!! Watched some YouTube videos of the vintage rifle/sniper matches at Camp Perry how the heck do you keep your target straight and not crossfire ??
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 6th, 2020 at 10:22am
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Griff557 wrote on Mar 6th, 2020 at 12:56am:
psteinmayer wrote on Mar 4th, 2020 at 11:29pm:
Oh, I forgot to mention...  The Roosevelt Match has just one squadding, which is Friday morning (the 31st) on the Viale Range.

I DO hope you join us Griff. 


Thanks for some of the clarification and offer to join you. I would love to give it a whirl but at this point I don’t know that Iam ready for that kind of competition

The competition is not much different than other matches, just more of it and you are enjoying it at the greatest shooting venue on earth.  Really, if you've competed before you can handle the Nationals.  Also, you can sect your shooting partner.
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Reply #9 - Mar 6th, 2020 at 10:28am
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Griff557 wrote on Mar 6th, 2020 at 2:40am:
Holy crap!!! Watched some YouTube videos of the vintage rifle/sniper matches at Camp Perry how the heck do you keep your target straight and not crossfire ??

LOL! Grin  I haven't crossed on the vintage sniper or Games but I have on other matches.  It's kinda like "Earning Your Wings."
There's a sequence of events like natural point of aim, preparatory breathing sequence, identifying your target board number that are important in firing the shot.

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Reply #10 - Mar 6th, 2020 at 11:40pm
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Griff557 wrote on Mar 6th, 2020 at 12:56am:
Thanks for some of the clarification and offer to join you. I would love to give it a whirl but at this point I don’t know that Iam ready for that kind of competition


Really, it looks intimidating at first... but it's really not bad.  If you've shot a local match, you will be able to handle it.  Plus... the Roosevelt Dinner on Thursday night makes it all worth it!  Besides, if Culpeper can do it (and he did... and will again) then ANYONE can!!!
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 6th, 2020 at 11:43pm
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I crossed once at Perry my first year.  I've crossed a few times at local matches!  I once had someone cross 8 of their 10 shots in Rapid on my target, and most of them were in the ten ring!  Per CMP rules, I counted the top ten which gave me a 99... and resulted in a silver!  LOL
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Reply #12 - Mar 7th, 2020 at 1:01am
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psteinmayer wrote on Mar 6th, 2020 at 11:43pm:
psteinmayer wrote on Mar 6th, 2020 at 11:40pm:
Really, it looks intimidating at first... but it's really not bad.  If you've shot a local match, you will be able to handle it.  Plus... the Roosevelt Dinner on Thursday night makes it all worth it!  Besides, if Culpeper can do it (and he did... and will again) then ANYONE can!!!


I crossed once at Perry my first year.  I've crossed a few times at local matches!  I once had someone cross 8 of their 10 shots in Rapid on my target, and most of them were in the ten ring!  Per CMP rules, I counted the top ten which gave me a 99... and resulted in a silver!  LOL


Our local “club service rifle” matches are mostly shot at 100yds on reduced targets and the backers are spread out. The 100 year old rifle matches are shot at 200yds. I’ve only shot 300 and 500yd matches a few times with my Garand-the backers are close and someone always crossfires. Watching the videos and going to the line with that many shooters looks 😝
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 7th, 2020 at 3:25pm
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Matches at Camp Perry (the Vintage, Springfield, Garand and Roosevelt) are all shot at 200 yards.  The number boards are below the target and about 15 feet forward.  When you're at your firing point, it appears directly under, but when looking from a angle... say a few points in either direction, they appear offset.  The boards are either white with black numbers, or black with white numbers... which makes it a little easier to remain on target. 

My first year (2012), I had no idea what I was doing.  Madsenshooter said "Come shoot with me" and I did.  I shot the Vintage match with my Krag (there was no Roosevelt back then)... and had no equipment - just my Krag, ammo and a very cheap spotting scope... not even a sling or mat!  Then, he suggested the Garand match too, so I borrowed my dad's Garand and showed up the next day.  Bob was squadded with someone else, so I squadded with a guy who clearly didn't care to help me.  He didn't tell me where my shots were hitting, just kept my score and didn't say a word.  He didn't even let me use his mat, so I just layed on the wet grass and dirt.  I barely broke 120, LOL.  I also fell in LOVE with it!!!  I purchased a scope, a mat, eventually a coat, the whole shebang... and I've shot every year since.  I now shoot all four matches and have several rifles to shoot too.  My son started shooting with me 4 years ago, and he's been bit by the Camp Perry bug too!

Trust me - you'll do great and love it too!  You don't have to worry about scoring a medal (some do... some obsess about it), just shoot and have fun.  Medals will come eventually (or at least, that's what I keep telling myself, LOL).  Cheesy
  
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