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Rock KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 9 Location: Maine Joined: Mar 21^st, 2020 Gender:	New to krags please help Mar 21^st, 2020 at 12:23pm	Print Post
	New member here,I just got an 1896 krag carbine with what looks to be an 1892 bolt, it has a pin that holds in the safety and a screw holding the extractor, how do I know if it's a highnpin or low pin because the safety lever broke off at somepoint


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: New to krags please help Reply #1 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 12:39pm	Print Post
	"Rock" - Welcome to the KCA Forum. Please post some clear close-up pictures of your "new" Krag, so we can help with your question. "Granpa's Gun Parts", listed in the KCA Classifieds, has the 'Safety-Lever', (under Krag 1892-94), that you would need to fit your Bolt-Sleeve. (BTW - This Vendor also sells on EBAY as 'Movieman630'. He is a fine source of parts). I have attached his photos of the relevant early Bolt-Sleeves to help you ID yours. The difference is subtle! The fact that your part broke is an indication of why the early pinned-safety was abandoned. (Actually, your 1896 carbine was built and originally issued with a later style of Bolt-Sleeve. The 'obsolete' parts on your carbine are a bit of a puzzle).


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Rock KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 9 Location: Maine Joined: Mar 21^st, 2020 Gender:	Re: New to krags please help Reply #2 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 1:42pm	Print Post
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Rock KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 9 Location: Maine Joined: Mar 21^st, 2020 Gender:	Re: New to krags please help Reply #3 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 1:44pm	Print Post
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Rock KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 9 Location: Maine Joined: Mar 21^st, 2020 Gender:	Re: New to krags please help Reply #4 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 1:44pm	Print Post
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Rock KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 9 Location: Maine Joined: Mar 21^st, 2020 Gender:	Re: New to krags please help Reply #5 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 1:45pm	Print Post
	Sorry I can't make the images any smaller so I had to post links to each one


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Rock KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 9 Location: Maine Joined: Mar 21^st, 2020 Gender:	Re: New to krags please help Reply #6 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 3:01pm	Print Post
	Is it at all possible the bolt is original and they just swapped the sleeve or were the bolts different


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Whig KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 1324 Location: Balt MD Joined: Sep 24^th, 2016 Gender:	Re: New to krags please help Reply #7 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 3:27pm	Print Post
	Rock, Here's the link to a post I did comparing the different Krag bolts. Some of this may be helpful for you with your bolt questions: (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) The following information is copied from Poyer's Krag manual:


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Whig KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 1324 Location: Balt MD Joined: Sep 24^th, 2016 Gender:	Re: New to krags please help Reply #8 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 3:38pm	Print Post
	Here are your pictures re-sized so they can post here: If you are ordering parts, see if you can find a correct extractor screw since the one you have currently sits proud of the extractor and it should be much more flush, as in the pictures linked above. Not that important but it would look better.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: New to krags please help Reply #9 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 3:48pm	Print Post
	'Rock' - I am going on the slightest of clues, but, I think your Krag is a 'parts gun' put together by Francis Bannerman and Sons. Your Stock looks to be adapted from a 1903 Springfield stock. This was a practice of Bannerman's to utilize their stash of surplus parts. The sure proof would be stock cross-bolts and a 'wood plug' closing off the bottom magazine opening. Attached - OP's photos showing 1903 cut-off recess and cross-bolt. These features are not found on Krag stocks.


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Rock KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 9 Location: Maine Joined: Mar 21^st, 2020 Gender:	Re: New to krags please help Reply #10 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 3:58pm	Print Post
	Yes the magazine well does have a plug in it do it would make sense it's a parts pieced together, so could I in theory just get the correct 1896 bolt sleeve extractor and safety and fit it in or would I need a whole new bolt, I have a stock on the way as this one was either worn or sanded to remove imperfections and it's really noticable high and low spots in it


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: New to krags please help Reply #11 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 4:19pm	Print Post
	We need to see the bolt-rib and the area underneath bolt-handle to tell you what model bolt you have. FWIW - Later bolt parts fit and function in earlier actions. A later bolt-sleeve & safety-lever can replace your current one. Show us clear photos, (smaller than 768 KB, will post), of your front and rear sights. A serial number will allow identifying if your Krag was ever a model 1896 carbine. Attached; Photos relevant to Bannerman Krag


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Rock KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 9 Location: Maine Joined: Mar 21^st, 2020 Gender:	Re: New to krags please help Reply #12 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 5:51pm	Print Post
	Yes the magazine well does have a plug in it do it would make sense it's a parts pieced together, so could I in theory just get the correct 1896 bolt sleeve extractor and safety and fit it in or would I need a whole new bolt, I have a stock on the way as this one was either worn or sanded to remove imperfections and it's really noticable high and low spots in it


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Ned Butts KCA Forum Admin KCA Official Member Offline Krag enthusiast! Posts: 525 Location: western catskills NY Joined: Apr 1^st, 2002 Gender:	Re: New to krags please help Reply #13 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 6:48pm	Print Post
	Yes you could get serviceable parts and swap them out


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Rock KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 9 Location: Maine Joined: Mar 21^st, 2020 Gender:	Re: New to krags please help Reply #14 - Mar 23^rd, 2020 at 11:28pm	Print Post
	So going by the link I have an 1898 bolt body with a high pinned safety bolt sleeve, from the looks of the rifle when I got it it had been fired quite a bit but is that even safe with the mismatched parts


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