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Re: Sporterized 1896 carbine
Reply #30 - Mar 31st, 2020 at 6:32pm
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In regard to a barrel-band, you might just start with a regular Krag rifle band.
Your stock appears 'stepped' for it, it has a degree of adjustment, and you can use or not use the sling-swivel.
  
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Re: Sporterized 1896 carbine
Reply #31 - Mar 31st, 2020 at 6:53pm
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I bought a band with the sling swivel on it buts it's too narrow. Would a carbine one be wider ?
  
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Re: Sporterized 1896 carbine
Reply #32 - Mar 31st, 2020 at 7:58pm
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Krag model 1899 carbine barrel-band has the same inside dimensions as the rifle barrel-band. (The rifle band has the virtue of a degree of adjustment).

I regret telling you this, but, shaping the stock tip for a barrel-band should have been done before the wood finish.

(p.s. - Even the model 1896 carbine barrel-band has similar inside dimensions, except that it accommodates a larger barrel radius).
  
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Re: Sporterized 1896 carbine
Reply #33 - Mar 31st, 2020 at 9:02pm
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Yeah, the stock has a indention where a band was. Just thought the stock band would work. Yikes. What if I left the band off ?
  
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Re: Sporterized 1896 carbine
Reply #34 - Mar 31st, 2020 at 9:28pm
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A Split Stock from barrel whip!

The Krag trigger-guard screws are very close together. If barrel is not held in channel by band or anchor-screw, the barrel rises putting lots of torque on the wood, causing splits in front and behind the magazine box.

How close is your band to fitting? The Krag rifle barrel-band can be 'spread' a bit by twisting a screw-driver blade in the gap. (I do this to get the band over the retaining pin that goes through the stock, in front of the 'clamped' band).

IHHO  - If spreading the band won't work, you are best off to reshape and fit a barrel-band to the forearm now and re-finish the area, where wood was reduced.

(If the spread band will slip onto the stock, you can file a narrow channel, around the stock, for it to clamp into and be retained. The channel will be hidden by the band).

That step in the stock begs for a barrel-band. With a File, the shaping won't take long.

Protect the finished stock area, behind the 'Step', with some wraps of masking-tape.
  
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Re: Sporterized 1896 carbine
Reply #35 - Mar 31st, 2020 at 10:49pm
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Here's a few pictures of the issue
  
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Re: Sporterized 1896 carbine
Reply #36 - Mar 31st, 2020 at 11:04pm
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It's 1.230" where the band should go
  
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Re: Sporterized 1896 carbine
Reply #37 - Mar 31st, 2020 at 11:18pm
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The barrel-band "U" should be on the Right-Side of the rifle.
(The barrel-band has a slight taper on the inside).

Your barrel-band appears very 'stretched' in your photos.

I suspect wood will have to be removed (and contoured), especially at the bottom of your forearm, to allow proper seating of the band and engagement of the (band/swivel) screw.
  
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Re: Sporterized 1896 carbine
Reply #38 - Apr 1st, 2020 at 12:41am
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Luckily I can just redo the forearm and be good. I will try that this weekend and go from there
  
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Re: Sporterized 1896 carbine
Reply #39 - Apr 1st, 2020 at 3:22am
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FWIW: To fit the barrel-band, I suggest you take your rifle apart.

Make sure the top inside radius of your barrel-band matches the radius of the barrel at the point where it will be located.

With the barreled/action off of your stock, check the fit of the barrel-band to the wood.

There is an obvious shoulder that positions on the top of the barrel-channel.

The inside radius of the lower part of the barrel-band is a 'pattern' for the front part of the forearm wood contour.

Once the forearm tip can easily enter the barrel-band, you can reassemble your Krag and use the barrel as a guide as you slowly remove & contour wood and carefully fit the band into position.
  
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Re: Sporterized 1896 carbine
Reply #40 - Apr 5th, 2020 at 12:01am
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How tight should the band be on the barrel ? Almost got it where I want it
  
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Re: Sporterized 1896 carbine
Reply #41 - Apr 5th, 2020 at 12:16am
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That's looking good. Krag barrel-band fits close, but, not tight or binding.
  
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Re: Sporterized 1896 carbine
Reply #42 - Apr 5th, 2020 at 1:06am
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I got it to slide all the way on the forearm with the band screw started. But can tighten it up some. I would say it's tight on the barrel and forearm.
  
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Re: Sporterized 1896 carbine
Reply #43 - Apr 5th, 2020 at 1:52am
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The band has to fit tight enough to not loosen with recoil.  You don't have the through pin rifle stocks have just in front of the band to help keep the band from sliding. With the new Criterion barrel I have on my sporter the band is now a bit loose than before and I still have the through pin. I have to file down the sling tab to get a tighter fit before shooting it.
  
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Re: Sporterized 1896 carbine
Reply #44 - Apr 5th, 2020 at 2:08am
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If the band tightly 'binds' your barrel, it can cause accuracy problems as the barrel heats and expands.
It is desirable to have a 'paper thin' clearance between the barrel and the band.

If you create a shallow 'recess' around the stock, for the band to fit into when clamped, the 'recess' will retain the band and prevent it from shifting forward during sustained firing. The band should firmly clamp the wood.

(The barrel-band retention on original Krag rifles was a 'pin' through the stock and on carbines the band-spring).

  
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