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Mar 25th, 2020 at 7:21pm
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Like the old Bud Light commercials - today we salute YOU, Mr. This 1896 Krag Is Chambered In .303 British And I've Got The Fired Cases To Prove It Guy.

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Reply #1 - Mar 25th, 2020 at 7:28pm
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And he fired 303 ammo in it. I suppose it could have been converted but seems unlikely.
  

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Reply #2 - Mar 25th, 2020 at 7:36pm
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Wow! 120 pictures to show off his .303 shooting Krag rifle. That's sure some strange cleaning rod he found in the butt trap also.

That metal is so in the white it almost looks like it's nickel plated.

The thing is so valuable he's handling it with museum gloves.

Other than not having any finish left, a few small stock cracks and a touch of rust, this Krag doesn't seem to be in that bad of shape.

Nice vintage sling, too.

I'd buy it for $300.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 25th, 2020 at 8:17pm
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Shame the stock has been sanded or refinished. I also was thinking drill rifle as nickled as it looked.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 25th, 2020 at 10:47pm
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Could it be possible that the chamber was modified to the .303 case dimensions (reamed to advance the shoulder), but the bore is still 30 caliber... but perhaps oversize.  It is possible to throw a .312 bullet down a .311 or .310 sized bore with little problems.  My guess would be that someone reamed the chamber to .303 dimensions because of the scarcity of 30-40 ammo and brass.
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 26th, 2020 at 12:37am
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Maybe he was just ignorant and shot .303 British out of a .30-40 Krag chamber?

Can't say what would happen. I've never tried it!
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 26th, 2020 at 2:02am
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IIRC - 'Parashooter' has displayed, a number of times, that the Krag bolt can be closed on a chambered .303 British round, with a bit of 'springing' of the cartridge case.

It is probably good that there is a bit of 'freebore' and that many Krag barrels are .309" across the grooves.

I got tired of looking at the redundant photos.

120 photographs! The man is either incompetent or an aspiring 'hand-model', (or both)!
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 26th, 2020 at 2:19am
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What you see X 120 is what you get.
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 26th, 2020 at 4:31am
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butlersrangers wrote on Mar 26th, 2020 at 2:02am:
IIRC - 'Parashooter' has displayed, a number of times, that the Krag bolt can be closed on a chambered .303 British round, with a bit of 'springing' of the cartridge case. . .

Yup, doesn't take much to crank a Krag down on a .303 round. (By SAAMI specs, difference in length to start of neck between .303 case and .30/40 chamber is just .057" - and .303 shoulder is decidedly slimmer.) If you look at the aution photo of fired .303 cases it's pretty obvious that's the route taken.

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Attached photo below demonstrates chambering (NOT firing) various .303's in my '98 Krag.

  
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Reply #9 - Mar 26th, 2020 at 5:14pm
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With 303 having SAAMI max of 49000psi and CIP being even higher doesn't seem the owner of that rifle was smart to shoot it in a Krag  and with an oversized  bullet even if it can be forced to chamber.
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 26th, 2020 at 9:56pm
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No horse in the race-not defending anyone or trying to start something but it’s possible the 303 case was a hand load resized to 30/40
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 26th, 2020 at 11:10pm
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I made some emergency ration [during the brass shortage] .303s into .30-40s for my Krag scout rifle. Shot fine but I didn’t try any real .303 loads in it.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 26th, 2020 at 11:32pm
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Baltimoreed wrote on Mar 26th, 2020 at 11:10pm:
I made some emergency ration [during the brass shortage] .303s into .30-40s for my scout rifle. Shot fine but I didn’t try any real .303 loads in it.


I am going to go out on a limb and guess that you are not a risk taker. Using 303 brass for reloading with sane Krag loads - no risk.

Putting a higher pressure 303 round through a .308 diameter barrel is very risky. Maybe the guy has one of the early barrels that was really .311, but he is still living on borrowed time, on a hot day with 49K PSI the pressures could really get out of hand. If he has done a lot of this insanity he may have set the locking lugs back and have greatly increased his head space.
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 27th, 2020 at 12:22am
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While shooting the .303 in a Krag is probably not wise... the likelihood of shearing off the locking lug and sending the bolt into the shooter's face is doubtful (I refer to the late Michael Petrov's experiments).  Now cracking the lug, receiver or both is more likely, I suspect it would hold up longer than people think.  Again, refering to Petrov... he used a case full of Bullseye before he finally destroyed his Krag, and this was after shooting several loads that far exceeded the recommended max 40,000 CUP.
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 27th, 2020 at 12:49am
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These old guns are much stronger than they’re given credit for.
Referring to Mr. Petrov again, apparently the Trapdoor took so much abuse before detonating he would never publish the data!!  Sure would love to see those numbers just for scientific curiosity.
  
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