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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Some museums have bad examples May 18^th, 2020 at 8:42pm	Print Post
	Looking at several museum sites today for arms connected with Theodore Roosevelt, I noticed several Krag carbines that are very poor examples. At quick glance they appear nice, but, careful scrutiny reveals them to be outright total 'mix-masters' or at least to have incorrect rifle rear-sights. I don't want to come across as 'bitchy' or arrogant. It would just be good to identify museum mistakes and in time, maybe through endowments and donations, improve museum collections. I have not been to the NRA museum in Virginia. They appear to have awesome displays and it is definitely on my list to see it. Their U.S. model 1899 carbine is a 'mix-master'. (Nice parts, but, wrong).


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Some museums have bad examples Reply #1 - May 19^th, 2020 at 12:03am	Print Post
	Ok, so 1899 receiver with a saddle ring stock and an 1896 rear sight. Mix master! I guess they just assume that most people viewing it would not know the difference... or they themselves don't know the difference... or don't care. I visited the USMC museum at Quantico several years ago. They had a few Krags. I'll have to take a look my pictures again and see what they have.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Some museums have bad examples Reply #2 - May 19^th, 2020 at 12:20am	Print Post
	FWIW - The rear-sight is not seated properly and appears held on with a 'dome-head' screw. There is no hand-guard, of course, and the short stock and sight-protecting barrel-band flies in the face of what defines a model 1899 carbine.


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Some museums have bad examples Reply #3 - May 19^th, 2020 at 12:24am	Print Post
	Heck... I'm still stuck on the fact that they are representing Roosevelt's Rough Riders with a Carbine that would have been manufactured AFTER the disillusion of the outfit! LOL


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King carp KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 296 Joined: Apr 1^st, 2019 Gender:	Re: Some museums have bad examples Reply #4 - May 19^th, 2020 at 12:36am	Print Post
	I think a lot of museums get donations with stories instead of provenance. It is up to the curator and his staff to verify these items as correct and original. I was in a small VFW mueseum in central Illinois that had many reproduction WW2 items on display. When I inquired about them I was assured they were original pieces brought back by vets. I could see were a Krag rifle would be accepted as stock and original. Especially by someone who is not a member of the KCA!


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Some museums have bad examples Reply #5 - May 19^th, 2020 at 1:59am	Print Post
	This cabine is displayed in the NRA museum and clearly labeled as a "model 1899 carbine", by the NRA curators. It is a model 1899 carbine receiver & barrel. The stock is just clearly incorrect. (My apologies, for any confusion; I happened upon the photos of this Krag, while looking for "TR" connected arms. I did not mean to imply the museum was presenting this Krag as a 'Rough Rider' item or display).


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Some museums have bad examples Reply #6 - May 19^th, 2020 at 10:58am	Print Post
	Gotcha. That makes a little more sense. Still, as you said, the stock is wrong. I suspect the rear sight may be only held on by that rear domed screw, and that's why it isn't seated in the front.


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Some museums have bad examples Reply #7 - May 20^th, 2020 at 2:51pm	Print Post
	What is MOST frustrating about this whole issue is the fact that museum staff - in general - are NOT receptive to the great unwashed telling THEM (no matter how gently or politely) that THEY could ever be wrong. Or, they'll smile and say we''ll fix it but years later, they haven't. An educated person is their own best museum.


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FredC KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 759 Location: Dewees, Texas Joined: May 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Some museums have bad examples Reply #8 - May 20^th, 2020 at 3:37pm	Print Post
	Makes you wonder if the person that donated the Krag carbine got a tax deduction of $5,000 for the valuable collectable?


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Whig KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 1324 Location: Balt MD Joined: Sep 24^th, 2016 Gender:	Re: Some museums have bad examples Reply #9 - May 20^th, 2020 at 5:03pm	Print Post
	Only $5,000, Fred!? I took $10,000! (Just kidding.)


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