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mounting a "scope on my Mod. 1898 Krag.
Aug 9th, 2011 at 2:18pm
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Want to add a scope to the old rifle, so I can see to shoot as my eyes are not what they used to be. Seems as I recall seeing a photo of a Krag sniper rifle with the scope mounted on a side-plate. Is this necessary? how about a standard "drill and install regular rings? preferably for a removabale scope so I can still use the original sights?
  
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Re: mounting a "scope on my Mod. 1898 Krag.
Reply #1 - Aug 10th, 2011 at 12:33am
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I know what you mean.  At my age, I can't shoot a decent group anymore without a scope. The classifieds section associated with this forum has a source for scope rails, but I investigated their 3 inch rail, and found that I would need to cut some wood from the top of my model 1898.  However, not all 1898s are the same. I understand that some early 1898s had a rear sight from the 1896 model.  The wood might be cut differently to accommodate that difference. It might be possible that the top wood on yours could handle a 3 inch scope rail without any cutting.  On the other hand, if you don't mind drilling, their 6 inch rail might be good.
  
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Re: mounting a "scope on my Mod. 1898 Krag.
Reply #2 - Aug 11th, 2011 at 6:54pm
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Andy:  I don't know how original your Krag is?  It is always a shame when someone ruins an original receiver by having it drilled for scope or peep-sight holes.  (The holes lessen the re-sale value of the gun).  A scope has to be off-set on a Krag action so as not to interfere with ejection of cartridge cases.  I believe S&K makes a no-drill receiver mount for the Krag.  The old "no-drill" Redfield peep- sights are also a good option for aging eyes. 
  
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Re: mounting a "scope on my Mod. 1898 Krag.
Reply #3 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 5:13pm
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The rear sight on the rifle is 3.75 inches ahead of the receiver. the sight elevates to the rear and has no side rails to speak of.  It is also adjustable for windage by rotating (loosening)a short lever at the fron of the assembly.
The rifle was purchased by my grandfather in the early 1920's as part of a government sell-off of surplus firearms following WW I.
Not sure what the "standard" rear sight looks like, but this one is very similar to those found on the 1903 springfield.
And yes, I hate the idea of altering the rifle, but have no intention of ever parting with it, I'll let the next generation of my family fight over it when I'm gone as I no longer have an heir.
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 5:20pm
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Post script:  A quick examination of the sight photos from the Association web page indicated that my rifle has a model 1901 rear sight.
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 11:11pm
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Andy:  What are other specifics of your 1898 Krag?  (barrel length, front sight, state of stock, refinished, sporterized?).  Lots of Krags have been rendered into the "Shooter" catagory long ago by sporterizing and refinishing.  It's just a shame nowadays to have anything collectable ruined.  When I was a teen, I remember reading an article on preserving and maintaining firearms.  The author's main point was that you never really own a firearm.  You are entrusted to be its custodian for a period of time.  Enjoy it but preserve it for the ages.  That mind set governs a lot of enthusiasts.
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 15th, 2011 at 10:34am
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Don't have specifics on the old rifle. would like to compare the serial number to obtain more information. Receiver is stamped Springfield armory model 1898. However, just today I determined that it has a 1901 rear sight. looking at the reproduction hand guards available from Schwartz, mine matches the 1901, not the 1898.  I believe the best solution is to purchase one of the repro handguards, transfer the rear sight and cut the new piece for the rail mount. preserve the original. Will still have to deal with drilling the barrell if I can't find a way to mount the rail without doing so. don' tknow of any other way to mount a quick-release scope. An email to Kraghause, regarding their Krag rails bounced back.  Any suggestions are welcome.
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 15th, 2011 at 10:54am
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As for general specifications--barrell lenght from receiver to muzzle is 30". It has an "insert" type front blade. (which I found bent over when I rfetreived the rifle from storage, so need to take to the range to re-zero.) It has a full infantry stock and is in the original form as it was sold to my grandfather following WW I. It has not been sporterized and was sold as military surplus. This was apparently a large sell-off of surplus rifles as he once told me he could have bought either a trapdoor springfield, the Krag or an 1903.  He chose the Krag.  Hunted with it for many years, then past it to me.  It was the first "big-game" rifle I used for several years.  It is definitly a shooter, just from use. Serial number is:55897, and have I ever been wrong!!! I scrubed off the serial number to read it better and found right beside it "model 1896".  Except for normal wear and tear over 100+ years, it has been lovingly maintained.
Recently attempted to buy a headspace gauge for the rifle but the item was temporarily out of stock. (never knew there was such a thing, or that it was needed.) Supplier is supposed to notify me when they are once again available.
Any help with additional information on the rifle will be greatly appreciated. For instance, where can I reference the serial number?
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 15th, 2011 at 11:03am
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P. S. to Butlersrangers.  I agree with your author, I only wish that I had someone to pass it on to who will care for and about is as much as I do. I have only a nephew, who, although he is a federal law enforcement agent cares nothing for collecting, hunting or the value of family hierlooms. My younger brother would sell it in a NY minute if he thought he had a good deal.
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 15th, 2011 at 11:07am
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2nd P. S. to butlersrangers; I am not familiar with S&K. Who are they and how can I contact them?
  
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Reply #10 - Aug 15th, 2011 at 11:51am
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Reply #11 - Aug 16th, 2011 at 5:30am
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contacted S&K, they said that their scope mount will not fit my Krag.
  
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Reply #12 - Aug 16th, 2011 at 12:26pm
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Andy...........This is your best bet ( although you won't be able to use the original sights  at the same time ). It will allow you to keep your Krag original AND still use a 'scope.

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Re: mounting a "scope on my Mod. 1898 Krag.
Reply #13 - Aug 16th, 2011 at 10:01pm
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Andy:  I quickly checked Poyer's book "The American Krag Rifle and Carbine".  Serial # 55897 was probably made in February 1897.  Your 1896 Krag Rifle likely saw use in the Spanish American War.  To drill holes in its receiver would ruin an interesting and apparently original rifle (30" barrel & full length stock).  Every year the number of original Krags lessens, usually due to fire, flood, or storms.  It is a real shame when collectable guns are lost due to misguided gunsmithing.  Putting a scope mount on your Krag's receiver by drilling and tapping holes will ruin your heirloom and turn a $800-$1500 desireable rifle into $400 of parts.  I don't know in what state of condition your rifle is.  I don't know if you have paperwork from when your grandfather purchased it from the government.  It would be fun to see some pictures of it on this Forum.  If you post some photos, you will get a lot of good info. and advice.  You might consider selling your rifle at a collector's price and pickup a sporterized Krag for shooting.  The scope rail that replaces (temporarily) the rear sight and allows a long eye-relief scope is a good option.  Just leave your hand-guard off the rifle for clearance.  (To take the handguard off:  Remove the rear sight, Take the barrel and action out of the stock with handguard attached, Wipe the barrel with a lightly oiled cloth, Rotate the handguard 180 degrees and pull it forward off the barrel).  Store your handguard with an appropriate diameter dowel inserted in the clip-springs to prevent spring tension from cracking the wood.  Never, Never snap a Krag handguard over or off a barrel or dowel.  Slide the handguard on and off.
  
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Reply #14 - Aug 17th, 2011 at 6:04am
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I am away from home for a few days, will attempt to post some photos when I return.  Any paperwork was long gone before I came along.  I have only my grandfather's stories.
except for a few dings in the stock, the rifle is in good condition, considering it's age. I am aware of Kraghaus. I was hoping to purchase a repro handguard, transfer the sight and see if a local gunsmith could mount the rail into the repro without drilling the barrell. 
Then be able to return to the original at a later time. The approximate value you posted is interesting. Never knew the old rifle had such a value. In any event, the emotional attachment is far beyond any price.
  
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