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Redfield 102
Apr 26th, 2012 at 3:39pm
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I know this comes up from time to time but I don't recall if there is a definitive answer. I bought a no-drill Redfield 102 and was excited to see it come with the magazine plate screw which I gather is an oddball item. Unfortunately, the screw may be the proper thread but is no longer than the plate screw it is supposed to replace. I eyeball it at about 3/8" when the necessary length is apparently 1/2" or even 5/8". I do have the option to return it but before doing so, I wanted to ask if there is a replacement source available.
  
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Re: Redfield 102
Reply #1 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 6:42pm
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Weston:  The shank on the issue Krag sideplate screw is about 5/16" long.  The Redfield replacement screw shank is about 7/16" long.  I believe the threads are 26 per inch.  If you got the Redfield #102 sight for a good price, I would keep it and find a machinist or gunsmith who will make you a few screws.  (Overall length including the head of the Redfield screw is 9/16").
  
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Re: Redfield 102
Reply #2 - Apr 27th, 2012 at 6:14pm
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Weston:  It appears a workable screw could be made for the Redfield #102 Krag "no-drill" peep sight by utilizing (sacrificing) a Krag or 1903 Springfield rear barrel-band/sling swivel screw.  Although as issued these screws are too long, they have the same shank diameter and 26 threads per inch as the Krag sideplate screw.  Overall length would have to be shortened to approximately 9/16" to replicate the Redfield screw.  There should be an adequate amount of thread left on the swivel screw you are shortening to engage the threads of the receiver.  It might be necessary to slightly reduce the diameter of the barrel-band screw head to properly seat in the Redfield base.  It may also be necessary to taper the tip of the altered screw since they were peened into place sometimes in their role as swivel screws.  Preferably use a 'buggered-up' screw to adapt as a replacement (you can dress-up the damage in the process of altering it).
  
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Re: Redfield 102
Reply #3 - Apr 30th, 2012 at 3:45pm
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butlersrangers wrote on Apr 26th, 2012 at 6:42pm:
Weston:    If you got the Redfield #102 sight for a good price, I would keep it and find a machinist or gunsmith who will make you a few screws.  (Overall length including the head of the Redfield screw is 9/16").


Exactly what I'm going to do. Apparently, the screw is worth $35 to $65! That's based on the fact that I paid $90 and I recently saw someone hit a "buy it now" of $125 in the first hour on Gunbroker and yesterday another Redfied with the same screw went at $155 on Ebay.

My local smith is going to root through his spares and see what we can do.

  
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Re: Redfield 102
Reply #4 - May 5th, 2012 at 9:51am
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I've got a question - when using one of the "no drill" sights, Pacific or Redfield, do you have to modify the wood?
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Re: Redfield 102
Reply #5 - May 5th, 2012 at 6:04pm
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I'm not sure about using a Redfield with a military stock, as the side plate is exposed... but with regard to some of the sporter stocks out there (including my own), the wood must be cut out for the bottom of the mounting base and lower elevation slide.  I have attached a picture of a Redfield 102 on my sporter and you can see how the wood is removed to allow for the sight.  I have since replaced this sight and now have a proper Krag 1902 rear sight.
  
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Re: Redfield 102
Reply #6 - May 5th, 2012 at 8:33pm
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jogn:  The Redfield #102 does not require any alteration of an original Krag stock.  The Pacific sight does require a slight notching of the stock to move the slide to its lowest position.
  
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Reply #7 - May 6th, 2012 at 4:24pm
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I did have a smith rework a screw to fit the 102 and it fits perfectly without any alteration to the wood. The additional cost was $30 so all in my cost was $127. The sight condition matches the shortened rifle well so I'm very pleased with the rig.

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Re: Redfield 102
Reply #8 - May 6th, 2012 at 9:46pm
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Weston:  That's a mighty handsome rig you've assembled!  Your Redfield sight nicely matches the finish on your Krag.  The mounting screw looks good.  If you encounter any roughness in your cartridge feed due to the Cutoff being absent, here is a 1963 hint from William's Gunsight Company.  (However, rather than ruin an original Cutoff, I would just have a nylon, brass, or steel shaft fabricated to serve the same purpose).
  
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Re: Redfield 102
Reply #9 - May 6th, 2012 at 11:32pm
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Thank you for that piece. When sighting it in yesterday, I noticed that if feeding from the mag, the bolt had to be jammed rather forcibly to chamber the round. Does that sound like the problem created by removing the cutoff?
  
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Re: Redfield 102
Reply #10 - May 7th, 2012 at 12:21am
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Just to throw a contrary into the mix...  I never had feed problems with my sporter (see picture above)... and still don't either.  I now have a proper rear sight but still don't have a magazine cutoff, as I purchased the sporter with the Redfield installed.  One day, I'll get a replacement cutoff to install.

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Re: Redfield 102
Reply #11 - May 7th, 2012 at 12:21am
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Weston:  You are correct.  Eventually Redfield instructions were updated to give advice like the William's Gunsight article.  It's an easy fix with a properly oriented shaft shaped like the Cutoff's.
  
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Re: Redfield 102
Reply #12 - May 7th, 2012 at 4:39am
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Another thing to remember when using a receiver sight on the Krag. Once you are sighted in make sure you turn down the little set screw on top until it touches.

You will have to remove or loosen the sight to remove the bolt and your zero will be lost if not set with the screw.

That's one reason I like bolt peeps or the Rice peep sight.

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Re: Redfield 102
Reply #13 - May 8th, 2012 at 12:26am
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With a 20d nail and a little time at a bench grinder I crafted a replacement for the cutoff switch that seems to have returned the butter smooth feed. Even after doing this I gotta admit I don't really understand how the cutoff works. I was concerned that it would be a problem that the nail is about .015 smaller in diameter but in fact that made it a lot easier to reposition it in a trial and error process to get it right. The little clamp on the sight seems to have it secured in place.

Btw, a repacement cutoff switch at Numrich runs around $35!
  
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Re: Redfield 102
Reply #14 - May 8th, 2012 at 2:06am
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Weston:  Well done you.  You Nailed It!  I suppose a little dab of gasket seal, lock-tite, or rubber cement would lock your replacement shaft in place but allow easy removal later.  You could also file a screwdriver slot in the end of the shaft to allow easy positioning and removal.  The Cutoff is remarkably simple and easily watched with the side-plate off.  When the lever is up (on most models) the flat on the shaft is 'down'.  This fills the slot/hole that is machined in the receiver and allows cartridge rims to smoothly slide past.  When the lever is 'down', some of the round part of the shaft blocks the top cartridge (rim) from sliding through.  If nothing is in the cutoff slot/hole, a bit of a rough spot exists that creates a 'bump' in the feed.
  
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